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Just to satisfy any curiosity: the first recorded Hahns hybrids were with blue-crowned conures, and there seems to be a closer relationship in that area than with other species (Hahns with other macaws, or blue-crowns with other conures).

We are talking apples to apples.... Not conures to macaws.

Just as little trivia on my part.
And yes, conures and macaws are closely related, if you want to consider conures as dwarf macaws.

alhee wrote:Just as little trivia on my part.
And yes, conures and macaws are closely related, if you want to consider conures as dwarf macaws.

Aloha Alhee,

You must be reading my post over at Eclectus with the Lory... lol

Dutch

From what I've read, "Aratinga" means "little macaw".

alhee, I hadn't known that hahns were hybridized with blue crowns! Interesting! I only know of the other two hybrids because I found pictures of them...

Dutch...
I took a look at the Eclectus site...so, again, more trivia:
Eclectus (especially the hens) need a diet higher in the forms of natural Vitamin A, and whatever else that a higher fruit diet provides, and I suppose that lories need pretty much the same elements in their diet.
The other issue is that the closest relatives of the eclectus are the psittacula...the ringneck family, although they parted company a long time ago. Still, they have many of the same characteristics and behaviors.

My actual interest is goffin's cockatoos, and these are birds of the high forest treetops, and my best results with them is a diet with fresh flowers with pollen and nectar.

Looks like many of the branches of the parrot family have certain nutritional niches.

Dutch...
I took a look at the Eclectus site...so, again, more trivia:
Eclectus (especially the hens) need a diet higher in the forms of natural Vitamin A, and whatever else that a higher fruit diet provides, and I suppose that lories need pretty much the same elements in their diet.
The other issue is that the closest relatives of the eclectus are the psittacula...the ringneck family, although they parted company a long time ago. Still, they have many of the same characteristics and behaviors.

My actual interest is goffin's cockatoos, and these are birds of the high forest treetops, and my best results with them is a diet with fresh flowers with pollen and nectar.

Looks like many of the branches of the parrot family have certain nutritional niches.

Paca...
I just had time to go back and read some of the earlier responses.
Yes, some of the love you feel for family members are certainly reinforced
by hormones, which are triggerred by our senses. Probably not in birds, but olfactory responses are high on the human list: that's why babies smell so good that you want to snuggle up to them; that's why preemie babies need an item of their parents' clothing to bond with; that's why grandpas smell so good, even if it's tobacco; that's why perfume sells. ("Windsong stays on his mind.")
On the dangerous side, that's part of the reason for domestic violence: the anger combined with the inability to let go.
And I ask myself: Why is this posted on a macaw chat site ? !

alhee wrote:... And I ask myself: Why is this posted on a macaw chat site ? !

Because we're here? Or were. Sorry I'm so late seeing your reply to my query. Thanks!

Paca

You have received a lot of good information from everyone, the responsible thing to do is not allow them to breed. If you want breeders, then just purchase the correct mates for each. You asked a question, can they breed, Probably. Is it responsible to allow it to happen. NO!!! The gene pool of our birds is in short supply and we aren't getting any wild gene pool to help build up what we have.

[quote=" I haven't come across any yellow collared macaw hybrids, but I have come across two hahns macaw hybrids... however, these macaws hybridized with an aratinga conure and a nandayus conure.[/quote]



Good Day Monica,

I would like more information on the two hahns macaw hybrids. Please, is there anyway I can have contact information for the Avianitarian who propagated the pairs? I give you permission to give out my email or phone number contact info to them if you know of them.

I'm interested in this study of Macaws and Conures and the relationship of their DNA .
Thank You

I wish I could help... I have the pictures but no longer the websites... The sun/hahns was bought and the owner didn't know what it was until they had done some research and that's the conclusion they came to. Their website is now down and I don't have their contact information.


The other one, what is believed to be a hahns/jenday/nanday hybrid (but I see no jenday characteristics) was found off of hoobly, I believe, and I can't seem to find that either. (actually, doing some looking around, I may have found the person who had/has this particular bird... I'll pm you the e-mail)








I'm interested myself but there really isn't any info out there on conure/macaw hybrids. On Voren's website there is a quote about hahns hybridizing with mitred conures...




http://www.voren.com/94-04-04.htm
The macaws are classified under the name Ara, and these large green conures are, as the name implies, very closely related to the macaws. This relationship has been demonstrated by the fact that hybrid offspring from a cross between a noble macaw and a mitred conure have produced fertile eggs.

[quote This relationship has been demonstrated by the fact that hybrid offspring from a cross between a noble macaw and a mitred conure have produced fertile eggs.[/i][/color][/quote]


Thank you Monica.

Have you heard or know if the hybird offspring can produce?

No, I don't. I'm not sure Voren would either, but then again he has been doing a lot of research on birds! It would probably be good to know however, so we know just how closely the two species are.... however, I kind of suspect that the offspring would be sterile as I've only heard of 4 instances, maybe 5, of hybrid macaw/conures. Therefore, I would assume that the parents are close enough related as sun/green cheek conures, in that it may be a very low chance of offspring, and possibly a high mortality rate.

I think I'm going to send an e-mail out to Voren to see if he knows of anything?