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A Catalina Macaw is a 1st generation hybrid cross of a Scarlet & a Blue & Gold Macaw.

A Camelot Macaw is a 2nd generation hybrid cross between a Scarlet & a Catalina Macaw.

More pix and info on this topic can be seen at http://many-feathers.com

Thank You very much for the link. I think I'm starting to understand this subject.

There are 2 more Camelot Macaw for sale ads running right now for even less money, including a red dominant (I called for details and it's in a pet/feed store) Camelot Macaw for $1,000 in Florida, and another Camelot Macaw for $1600 in California. I told the truth about pricing, etc. in what I posted previously. In that one ad mentioned above (in the post for the yellow dominant), and in one of them listed below (here on this post,) are Camelot macaws that were purchased in the past 9 months or less, both under a year old, and already being rehomed. What's wrong with this picture, folks? I don't dare say, "I told you so." Not to mention, the Camelot Macaws that have been spam advertised recently which have been EXCESSIVELY over-priced. Below are the links to the other ads, & there are no BS Hard-Sell Deceptive Merchandising Tactics used in either of these ads. What a breath of fresh air!

http://www.avianbiotech.com/Breeders/Bird.asp?ID=28480

http://www.avianbiotech.com/Breeders/Bird.asp?ID=28476

Geez, Louise! Smells more like flatulence......or worse......to me....

And now ....I can hear it coming across the PA system, "Clean up in aisle, rather page #3"..................

IMO that is......... I don't profess to state something as FACT which I cannot document as such....nor do I claim to speak what represents the "truth" when what YOU are actually spouting is your "opinion".......nothing more.

As far as your choice of words "deceptive merchandising tactics"...that sounds like a criminal accusation...IMO. Slander or libel at the very least...IMO.

I recommend you choose your words more carefully...or at least learn how to type the 3 little letters...IMO...when you spout off like that. Or you'll be swearing before god to a judge in court somewhere. IMO

If you purport to know everything else....then why DON'T you know why they're being re-homed?!? Why so snide? IMO I feel it's because you don't WANT to know the facts ...as they can be documented by speaking to the owners of the birds! That answer doesn't fit into your scenario. If only such ills could befall you & yours that you would be forced to do what they must do! IMO

And another "if only"........... If only you had a big heart instead of a big mouth & a bigger opinion of yourself.....the world would be a much brighter place. IMO

I don't think there's any twinkling star on top of your tree Ms. X.

Barb the Old Bird Lady

Spoken like an old-time breeder

Since you went ahead and took title to a prize that wasn't offered to you personally:

Excuse me, but don't you think that $2,000 for a red dominant Camelot is a bit excessive, for a not particularly attractive hybrid, and a common one at that? Nobody, but Nobody has ever had the gaul to charge that kind of money for a red dominant Camelot macaw before, NOT EVER, in this country or elsewhere. Thats what they charge for rare yellow ones! It's no secret either, that you don't know much of anything about hybrid macaws. You're totally new to the game, less than 2 years it appears, and suddenly you are claiming to be an authority on the topic? Who appointed a novice to speak on behalf of macaw breeders? I have had macaws and parrots a LOT longer than you have, not to mention my Catalina Macaw. You had never even seen a Catalina Macaw at that point in your breeding career. We all know about you, and your mocking of legitimate breeders. Everyone saw when you were advertising not even 2 years ago looking for your very first Catalinas, Camelots, etc. And, we all know where your very first ones originally came from, too, when another breeder was selling out his hybrid collection right here on up at six. I've been on up at six a LOT longer than you have been online. You are not an old time hybrid macaw breeder! Who do you think you are fooling? You are a total newbie with a grandiose, arrogant, threatening, attitude towards anyone that you think jeopardizes your purse! You are in it for the money only. I have seen your many, many foul mouth posts degrading and insulting other bird lovers on both birdmart, and avian info. over and over during the past just less than 2 years, or whenever you got your first computer and first came online. You just cant seem to control yourself. I considered complaining to Damian & Kirsten about your abuse of their private message system to insult and harrass me, but out of professional courtesy to them, & for all of the time and expense they have put into this site, I decided not to waste their valuable time over someone so very rude and hostile. But, since all you seem to want to do is air your multiple grievances, I will now copy and paste that horrid private message you sent to me here at up at six, next. Maybe you should think before you type! I never once addressed you on this forum, not once. It's too bad you had to bring in all of your pals here to justify your case on behalf of hybrid breeding. None of them have jumped on the offensive along with you. So who here is the guilty party?

Since someone insists on airing their grievances in public:
This is the private message I recieved in my inbox here on up at six. My response is included below. Notice how she is also trying to run a sales pitch on me, by her offer to send me hybrid pictures that I will need sunglasses to look at, (which reminds me of some high school drug pusher emphasizing the thrills,) ... not to mention dragging her friends into this thread to sell Camelot macaws to everyone else. Speaking of which, I received a "thank you" or two for posting those links. I believe I just helped home one of those birds!


From: caraparrots
To: Mary Xmas
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:54 am
Subject: brazen/unethical breeder/has the balls/SPAM advertising
Is this you again, Ms. C.?

Sounds too familiar: From some 2/2/07 emails - "I do not want one of your "green-back" Capris...BY the way, yous have had the most ugly Camelot and Capri babies that I have ever seen!....They are so f___ing ugly.... They all look like poop! .....One unattractive Capri that is probably not even a Capri, but some other degenerate hybrid cause she is so damn ugly, just like the rest from that set of parents has been, UGLY!.... a very ugly Scarlet hen that you didnt want cause she had to much green...I have been aware of your hostility since DAY one of connecting with you....."

TIME OUT! WHO's HOSTILITY?!?!?

It continues: "Why dont you have a stoke or heartattack and die already. the workd would be such a better place without you...."

It gets much worse...... let's end this here.

"If" not, I'd be happy to send you some pix of "washed out" Camelots that you'll need sunglasses to look at! I'd of sent them thru this email but couldn't figure out how....only can do with regular email. So if you don't wish to come out of closet, you don't allow me a chance to prove my point.......or to substantiate that there IS another point of view. We don't all see the world the same way....now do we.......

Funny too....most of my clients have been from "your" great state of "California".......they must be totally un-aware of those bargain prices available out there in the $600.00-$1000.00 range for Cammies. I would think the CA breeders would be advertising...& selling more at those fabulous prices......but my clients say they can't find any......

As far as temperment goes...sure, there are "characteristics" & stereotypes"...but each bird is an individual......just like each person on this earth, & should be judged & evaluated the same way. I even advertised a bird once as "nippy" & used few other derogatory adjectives. But I clearly stated it was for a Scarlet lover only...someone who could tolerate that type of behavior. When hormones kick in, that can also result in behavior/personality changes......for the worse. Sometimes.....not all the time. Just gotta play it by ear. There are many parrot "behaviorists" available to assist.....& they're not all "kooks" with their hand out for your $$$$. I use one. I don't quite understand WHAT she does.......only that she does it well!

I do NOT advertise my babies as better than any one elses nor use any kind of a "hard sell"......my clients will tell you. I offer lots of information for my client to make THEIR OWN choice as to what kind of Macaw they want. If they call & say they've already decided they want a Green Wing & do I have one available? If I don't. I won't try & sell them a hybrid...I'll try & refer them to a reputable breeder that has a GW! And either that customer or breeder will eventually send me another client one day. It all works out. There's no need for antagonism & paranoia & envy & racism.

I support many organizations that are working to protect endangered species, save habitat, captive breed, promote eco-tourism....etc.. You may find that hypocritical......I do not. We're different. We're individuals. We believe in freedom. Let's practice it amongst ourselves or it's never going to catch on in other parts of the world.

Final note...are you aware that there have been Macaws (& other parrot species) living in the wild for over 30 years......breeding & hybridizing....in either the Netherlands or UK?? I'd have to check my files. They have been photographed & written about...I can refer you if you are at all interested.

Sincerely,

Barb Parish

caraparrots@comcast.net


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From: Mary Xmas
To: caraparrots
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: brazen/unethical breeder/has the balls/SPAM advertising
What is your problem, lady? Are you on drugs or something? Why would you write such a bizarre, incoherent, mish-mash of a letter in an attempt to introduce, and/or defend yourself? It is certainly no way to secure my trust or confidence in you, and additionally supports my case in point, if anything, regarding hybrid breeders. Save your breath for the inexperienced & ignorant that you are trying to impress. Hopefully they have the common sense to do their homework before they go and waste their money. I suggest you post your peculiar points of view on the message thread, which I was merely responding to. Hybrid macaws are not at all popular here in California. Ethical breeders wont touch them with a ten foot pole.

Please don't contact me again, or I will report you for harrasment,
Mary

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BTW - The hybrid macaw debate was already going on before anything was ever posted here on the topic. For instance, check out this public message thread:

http://www.theperch.net/discussion/arch ... -9363.html

Again already! Your ignorance abounds!!! And if there ever was a display of "grandiosity, arrogance & threatening" behavior, Ms. X...please look in your mirror & you'll see the real thing! IMO And I must have missed something.....your appointment to Camelot Price Setting Czar. Sorry. I have no complaints about my prices or the quality of my birds from my clients........only from you & it's my clients I want to please. So I say most graciously "Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn."

I had ALREADY notified Damian & Kirsten about your personal attack......albeit through innuendo.....quite some time ago. I suspected you might be one & the same person that was sending me quite gruesome death wishes. When you replied, I realized you were just an obnoxious, sad, miserable, bigoted, person infatuated with your self. This forum is not set up to trash people......as was done to Dr. Scott McDonald, DVM not too many years ago in much the same manner in the classified section. It sounded all too familiar here. I held off & "restrained myself" as long as I could.......knowing that any response from me....in "self defense", would just trigger a further "feeding frenzy" on your part. But I'm only human.....I lack your great "maleficence" & like that great line from an old movie (next you'll be saying I'm not old enough to have seen it!) "I'm mad as hell & I'm just NOT going to take it anymore!"

An "authority on any topic".....not me. I'll be learning 'til I die.

Lady, you say I was advertising for my "1st Cat" 2 years ago???!!! Where DO you get your info??? Get a NEW source!!! I've had Cat's for more than 2 decades! My "very 1st Cat's" did NOT come from Matt....you're dispensing mis-information like PEZ candy now. Boy, I sure wish I WASN'T an "old timer" but the mirror tells me the truth daily. I believe the date......the old date, before the recent upatsix computer change....is recorded with the site. While I have only been "on line" a couple years.....you see, I couldn't "afford" a computer....guess somebody must have stolen that "purse" of mine with all the "money" in it.....nor did I have even the slightest idea how to use one....they call it technically challenged...just plain stupid for short. My son was a sweetie & brought me into the computer age by buying me one & teaching me the basics.

Again, a retraction is in order Ms. X.....while I appreciate the fact that you think I'm such a "sweet young thing"......well, I guess YOU wouldn't refer to me as "sweet".......I'm going on 63 ....feels like 73......had birds since late 70's......breeding pure species & hybrids since early 80's.......specializing in multi-gen hybrid Macaws exclusively because of the inspiration & invaluable assistance provided by many-feathers & others.
So newbie, newbie, doo!

I never directed my words.......foul.....degrading....or insulting....towards ANY BIRD LOVERS......only towards Nigerian scammers......home grown scammers.........people such as yourself who viciously attack others in the classifieds & lie & lie some more & then lie some more again. I like to catch those buggers in their webs of lies & when these liars who have shown up in my own home & told lies to my face then lied ABOUT me & attacked my reputation because I REFUSED to sell them a bird, decide to attack & tell new lies & harrass a naive, sick, diabetic, almost full term pregnant woman ...who has never posted on a bird board before who ALSO REFUSES to sell them a bird for the same reasons....I stand up & defend her....because she's in the freaking hospital because of this lunatic!!!

Now, as for the "spam".....that's the lousy meat in the square can......right?? The reference is not "registering".....I mean, I don't get it. Unless you mean Spam as in "Spamalot" that rhymes with Camelot....terrific show......caught it 3 times...but then, I try & enjoy life...you seem to prefer character assassination.

And last but never the least, my greed & love of $$$$$$ drove me to send my client list that is waiting for multi-gens (Cammie's, Capri's, etc.) from me, a copy of each ad that is running for the Cammie in both California & Alaska....including any other info I could provide + pics & a recommendation to "go for it".

Good Nite & Good Luck.......

Barb the Old (& I've got a birth certificate to prove it!) Bird Lady

You sure have a lot of spunk for a youngster

I never visciously attacked anybody, ever, yourself included. There is absolutely nothing to retract. If you want to take me to court for liable or slander, I will be more than happy go, as I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that I will be exhonerated. I have shared the honest to god's truth, to the best of my knowledge (including insider knowledge) about everything! Sweet Dreams.

PS - Never saw anything negative posted in the classifieds about Dr. Scott McDonald. Everyone seems to love him. If he ever came to Southern California, I might seek out his laparoscopy services. My avian vet says he's the very best at what he does.

I got it! You're a politician!!!! You NEVER answer any question I pose to you directly or make the slightest attempt to document ANY of your ridiculous "facts"....just spit out new ones to take their place...I name names & dates....you don't.......you just babble...on & on....but go nowhere & say less.

I had to laugh (uproariously) about the line about the "Insider Knowledge"!!! I LOVE IT!!! Even though it REEKS of FOX TV & the INQUIRER!!! How so LIKE you! You have risen to your level at last!!!! You have OUT DONE even your self!

This is boring......you are boring. I have positive things to do. I cease & desist...........unless you p___ me off again....... And then, because "I am woman", you'll hear me roar. (Helen Reddy.....old)

Finito,

Barb the Old Bird Lady

PEOPLE, we are all here due to our Love and devotion to Parrots! I dont care what breed or how they were breed- mis breed ALL deserve love and care. I personally will do all I can to assure that regardless. I dont care if they are cross breed- mis-bred ect. I will care and take them in regardless of what anyone expresses on here!!!!!!! So GIVE IT A REST ALREADY! Gods creatures need love and understanding.

I Agree with you, LJ. We are all here because we love the birds. I'd like to move on to another topic, having to do with subjects like the well being, happiness and care of our beloved fids, and give this one a rest.

I just Thankgod I have been blessed to take in what we have and have the ablity to care for them properly. I love when they are all clean and fed and playing with their toys, you can hear a pin drop. My inlaws are visiting and they can not believe we have 11 parrots scattered about the house, 7 dogs and 2 young kids.

I am more sympathetic toward folks who have had macaws for awhile, and then suddenly some fine spring day a few years down the line, their macaws decide to nest. And the issue about producing hybrids is pretty well no one else's business.
It does get fairly unethical when all sorts of fancy names get stuck onto the hybrids, which only glamorizes the price of the birds, which for all practical purposes, are MUTTS. Now, like in all things, there are good ones and bad ones.
What REALLY gets me upset, is BOTH a young person thinking that he is able to make a long-term commitment to owning any macaw, and the person who is willing to take the money and run.

Thats why we have taken in what we have- they have a home, we will not breed and we stand by what we have made family!