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You may or may not have seen/read this 2005 article:

www.animalliberationfront.com/News/Anim ... el-dog.htm - 17k -

If you were not referred to it previously, I highly recommend it. Even though it's not about parrots, most bird lovers are generally "animal" oriented. If you have any difficulty pulling it up, just "GOOGLE" "FINNEGAN THE SQUIRREL".

If, after seeing/reading the little story, you write back & say, "Well! What's my POINT?!"

After sadly shaking my head, all I'll have to say is, "We should all learn from Finnegan and the gang to get along with one another... no matter what "species" we are" ........

Thank you,

Barb the Old Bird Lady

I agree, none asked to be hatched- but all need love and care. I dont care what breed, sex they still need us!

I own two cockatoos and have also looked into the hybrid macaws. I believe there are more than enough people to continue the buying of both pure and hybrid macaws. This topic alone has a clear split between those who love pure breeds and those who love the hybrids. My belief is that with so many people fighting for purebreds they will never "die out" but to say such harsh things about the hybrid macaws makes me wonder how you feel about people of different races, other parrot species, or dogs for that matter. Do you only find fault in macaw hybrids or do you fight over these others too? Eclectus species are constantly being mixed, yet I see no arguements about them losing their purebreds. It seems to me that we are constantly mixing what we can but the pure breeds are still thriving. I don't think a few people's opinions are going to be enough to stop the buying and selling of these birds. For now I say let people own and breed what they want. I know that this may offend some of you but you are also offending some of us that like those breeds. This is just my take on this issue and I would still like to own a hybrid macaw in the future (my mind is pretty much set on my next purchase being a Capri) and I don't think anyones negative feedback will make me change my attitude about this issue.

Well put! I still like the Catalina and look forward to one day owning one. I think if its here on earth They need love as all living beings do.

You read things into my post, Chrissy, that simply are not there. I specifically mentioned Camelot Macaws, because that is what this thread was supposed to be about. The person who started this thread was looking for input, both pro and con, so he could make an informed decision. I still maintain, that most Camelot Macaws are over-rated, and recently have been over priced, along with several other hybrids. Most people must think they are getting a yellow one, but they are not. Historically, thats what the whole Camelot Mystique has always been about, the color "yellow."

FYI - I happen to own a Catalina macaw, and love him dearly. He sits with me at the computer, preens my hair, tries to feed me, and makes computer sounds. Its a hoot! He has a large vocabulary, too, of about 50 words and phrases. Most of the first generation hybrids (not all though) have nice clean colors. It seems the farther out you breed, the less attractive they become. BUT, of course, you occasionally get that one special yellow bird. Thats what everybody wants, so the breeders keep on trying. I'm not lieing about them either. Do some research on the temperment of Camelot macaws on the internet, before you believe some of the nonsense written in several recent ads.

BTW, I paid $600 for my Catalina macaw, and found him right here on up@six (Thank You Damian & Kirsten!) just a couple of years ago. He's about 10 yrs old, is in perfect feather, has a great personality, and is way prettier than all those Camelot Macaws lately being advertised. I am just warning people not to let themselves get ripped off for a lot of money for an over-rated hybrid. Fair enough? There are enough unwanted hybrids floating around that need a loving home that we dont need to keep breeding more. But, that is where most end up, with breeders, who then sometimes put them back to pure species and keep the whole situation just spiraling out of control.

I wasn't going after anyone in particular and realize that it is about the Camelot macaw. My coments were just a general overview of all the hybrid debates I have read (on other sites as well). I was simply commenting on the other posts in this topic which talk about the pure vs hybrid and whether or not it is right to breed them. I have re-read your post Mary Xmas and I can see how you thought I was being specific towards you but please believe me when I say I was not. I do have a question though, in your post you mentioned polluting the gene pool and not buying due to the "natural beauty of the macaw" which did seem a little bias but you own a hybrid (she sounds wonderful by the way). I am wondering if you meant because so many mutations need to be met before getting that yellow color everybody wants from the Camelot or was polluting a general comment of all hybrids? Again I am not trying to be mean but I am a little confused by this comment since you own a hybrid. Is it just the Camelot and all the over-rated hype that breeders have made about them?

Ther are only so many wild macaws left in their natural habitat. If we muddy the gene pool with inter breeding then some day there may not be any "pure species" left. We might not be able to reintroduce any back in their native lands.
After a few generations, or when a hybrid is breed to a true species, you can get a bird that looks pure but isn't.
Macaws are different species. Dogs are the same species but different breeds.
With all the natural beauty of the macaws that God has given us, why mess with them?

None of us want the Macaws- messed with or go out of our world, but none of us can stop the hybrids. Those that inbreed will never be stopped, its the way life is.

Hi Chrissy, I agree 100% with Darlene. There are plenty of hybrids around as it is, and we don't really need to be making new ones. We need to love and care for the ones that are here, instead of throwing them into a breeding situation. Most of them were somebody's pet originally, and thats what they (the birds) expect to be. The ones that are here are fine for companions, but really shouldnt be bred, particularly back to pure species again. You are on the right track. It does seem to take several tries, with lots of unattractive offspring, before a breeder gets that one exceptionally beautiful, predominantly yellow, or bright orange & yellow macaw. Most often, the yellow never hatches. So, what happens to all of those less than desirable Camelots? Most of them end up back in some breeder's hands and they are thrown right back in the gene pool.

A couple of examples: I shop for most of my bird supplies at a local feed & pet store. I've known the owner for over 20 years now. He used to have a male Catalina with a Scarlet hen, that produced 3 Camelot offspring for him. None of them were yellow. They were shades of red, green, brown and orange all mixed up together. He couldnt sell them in the store because nobody understood them, and because the colors were, well, just awful. He finally gave them all away, broke up the pair, and put the Scarlet with another Scarlet and the Catalina out in a large flight on his property with other macaws that had been given to him, and no nest boxes. Then one of those 3 Camelot macaws came back to him a couple years later because it kept attacking the owners. He couldnt sell her because she would bite, and wasnt at all pretty. She was orange and green, all run together. But the biggest problem was her temperment. She was also eventually put out into his large macaw flight with the others, never to be bred.

A couple years later, a hobby breeder in Fresno, also had a clutch of Camelot macaws. They were advertised for an entire year, and nobody would buy one, especially after they saw what they looked like, even though he was only asking $750 each for a weaned handfed Camelot macaw. None of them were yellow either. I dont know what happened to them, but I do know, he never bred that pair again. Now do you see my point? By now those Camelots are all grown up and probably right back in the gene pool. Responsible breeders usually stay away from them.

This is all I have to say

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Carters Dad, Could you please shrink your beautiful picture to approx 500 x 500 pixels, please? It is so big, that right now you can no longer read the thread at all on the screen. You have to scroll back and forth on each sentence to be able to read completely, and its a big hassle.
Thanks in Advance,
Mary

sorry, it looks fine on my screen

He is beautiful!

There is a very pretty yellow dominant Camelot Macaw for sale at an excellent price right here on up at six. The seller is located in Juneau Alaska and will ship. Check it out at viewtopic.php?t=25141

I reduced the width of the background to just focus on the beautiful Camelot macaw. I understand he is also as sweet as can be. I personally know his history and even have his baby pix. He is xtra special, too, because he was co-parented. I'd really love to have him, but just cant afford it right now.




PS - Carters Dad, thats one Good Looking Catalina that you have!

Hey Guys,

I'm new to the macaw world. We have a rescued M2 & a baby CAG but just for info purposes what is a Camalot & a Catalina. What are they crossed with to get them & Carters Dad is the top bird the Catalina?

Thanks in advance for the insight.