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kisa1200 wrote:Ok then if it's funny you find me a Queen of Bavaria conure in WI that I don't have to have a permit for and don't need to be in a breeding program! Bet you can't LOL

What?


QOB are CITES I = Endangered = Permit Needed

Hoffmans are CITES II = Concern = No Permit Needed

these are fundamentals of CITES. it's weird to see someone make conclusions on CITES, permits, breeding programs, availability issues if they aren't aware of the above fundamental.

I said I was done with this subject have a good day! What part of new here didn't you get See I know how to my eyes to jeez grow up!

I said I was done but I must answer this.These forums were originally set up to inform and help, Somehow your posts have missed the mark. Wasnt this a perfect time to inform those of us who have a life about things they do not know or possibly have misinformation about? It can be done nicely . Your posts remind me of the old days when trolls caused members to leave UaS in droves. I am not calling you a troll however but I wish you'd think about what a help you could be. NOW I'm DONE----Yogi

Yogi I am sorry and everyone else but I have learned so much here and people acting ignorant make me angry I know I shouldn't let it bother me but this NYC acts like we are all morons so if we are then please teach nicely don't downgrade me anyways I am not the smartest person I don't pretend to know every bird species and would love to learn I am a sponge when treated with the respect I and the others deserve I will be getting my fids Sunday can't wait! I am going to stop acting like a child now again Yogi I apologize to you for acting like a 2 year old! Sincerely Ruth

Ruth none of this is aimed at you and no sorrys are necessary. Everyone tends to answer in kind and that includes this grumpy old lady .----Yogi

boy i guess this is a real bad subject, but please dont bring cedar hills birds into this i know this person well in fact he sold me my nanday my two sun conures a green cheek conure and a cimmon conure, bud and corkie dusky conure he also sent home a missing beaker named bourbon, and 4 sprayled legs budgies , unless you know this breeder and his pratices dont be bring him in this.. i know he sells breeding stock all over the world,, but he does obey the laws in every state,, thank you

Lucky none of us are going to say anything bad about the breeder the NYC person lives across the world from him so don't worry ok I know I am not saying this for everyone but as for me I won't say a thing! Ruth

lucky35 wrote:boy i guess this is a real bad subject, but please dont bring cedar hills birds into this i know this person well in fact he sold me my nanday my two sun conures a green cheek conure and a cimmon conure, bud and corkie dusky conure he also sent home a missing beaker named bourbon, and 4 sprayled legs budgies , unless you know this breeder and his pratices dont be bring him in this.. i know he sells breeding stock all over the world,, but he does obey the laws in every state,, thank you

it's a great subject. problem is, people are writing without having read posts, or without thinking.


perhaps you did not understand what i meant about "having to pay $1,000(+) for a future 1/2 line?"

1/2 line is half of a (blood) line. i mentioned i got my male hoffman's from cedar hill birds, and was looking for other (fully unrelated) lines. since this post is a request for sourcing.

i mentioned nothing about legality other than the fact that i do NOT need a permit, for which yogi replied questioning my claim.

certain persons continued to respond to my replies, saying i need a permit for my bird, which i had already clarified, i do not.
--- lucky, is that where you got confused and thought repliers here were insisting someone was not obeying the laws simply based on their feelings or reactions to any rare species?

oh i never said any of you would say bad things about the breeder, my point was he said he had bought a bird from cedar hills before go back and read his post ,, noticed the last post to me , considering these are rare birds, i know cedar hill would keep his breeding stock and build it up before he started selling to the public.. so if he has a bird then the paper work would state that the bird must be registered with the breeding program no if and about it..so if thats the case nyc what are the letterin on the band lol ,, please do tell i know it by heart ,, since honey sunny sox sugar and rose came from him just the first two letters and the letters behind not the number i dont care,,

lucky35 wrote:oh i never said any of you would say bad things about the breeder, my point was he said he had bought a bird from cedar hills before go back and read his post ,, noticed the last post to me , considering these are rare birds, i know cedar hill would keep his breeding stock and build it up before he started selling to the public.. so if he has a bird then the paper work would state that the bird must be registered with the breeding program no if and about it..so if thats the case nyc what are the letterin on the band lol ,, please do tell i know it by heart ,, since honey sunny sox sugar and rose came from him just the first two letters and the letters behind not the number i dont care,,

lucky how can you claim to know the details of any aviary breeder's program for a particular species?

fact: the hoffman's male i purchased 4 years ago is not even banded, how can i tell you the band number, deary? however, i have answered your little presumptuous trivia question.

likewise, i have also purchased 2 keel bill toucan babies from cedar hill, so
since you know claim to know details of cedar hill's breeding programs, can you please simply tell me what letters are on their band ? and if they belong to a breeding program? *

i was given the information on the hoffman's breeder consortium at the time, but i had checked with them a couple times back in 2003 for any available hoffman's hen but they didn't have any available, so i gave up, until now again. he is a great pet, i don't know if he's ever going to be interested in breeding having been years alone and a shoulder pal. however, he is not the only single hoffmans in the states, and since i like the species and can't find them anywhere else, not even CeleBirds, i have decided to get a new pair from CedarHill for $1400.





















*(hint hint, it's a trick question, both keel bill babies i purchased from cedar hill were NOT BANDED at all --- surprised??? i was too when i got them, but so be it. i thought i would save you the embarrassment cause i could picture your responding saying you "know" CH wouldn't sell unbanded birds... etc)

i would like to remind the above posters of the way they are steering this thread. i posted asking for sourcing on Hoffmans, persons responded saying i need a permit. i posted saying i do not need one, and i got it from Cedar Hill, persons responded saying but its so rare i "must" need one, and the bird "must" be banded, and in a breeding pgm, 'give me the band #'.... and it is not even banded. so, where next? i am not asking for your misinformed gueses about what's legal or not. i am only asking for sourcing.

What about importing a hoffmanns into the states? You would of course need permits for this, but if they are so rare in captivity, that to start a new line would be best to import, then I think this may be a good idea... especially if you could find a reputable breeder that lives out of the states.

Do you know where Cedar Hill got their birds from? And curious also as to what the relation of your hoffmanns is to the pair that Cedar Hills has?

MFids wrote:What about importing a hoffmanns into the states? You would of course need permits for this, but if they are so rare in captivity, that to start a new line would be best to import, then I think this may be a good idea... especially if you could find a reputable breeder that lives out of the states.

Do you know where Cedar Hill got their birds from? And curious also as to what the relation of your hoffmanns is to the pair that Cedar Hills has?

hi Mfids

since Hoffmans are CITES II, indeed a permit and also an established breeding program (usually at least 2-3 people) ARE required to move even 1 bird interNationally

my single male is original import stock, i got him for $400 and i don't think i should count on him to breed anything, he goes to sleep in the same nest box as a maroon belly hen for years now and they never bred (only cause i trust him, she's retired and i think maybe he's asexual or too old or something?). he is DNA male though. i would imagine so many years into the program that the breeders Now in 2007, cedar hill or if anyone else has them, would like lucky said have built up their Hoffman's flock. likewise i am privvy to giving him up to a breeding program where he might breed better as i don't have any other pyrhurras than the MB right now, i placed my crimson bellies and fiery shoulders with breeder in TX and FL last year.

the one thing i like about my hoffman's is he looks the most "Aratinga" to me compared to all the other pyrhurras. to me he looks like a miniature version of my red throats and aztecs, compared to say GCs or MBs, because of his horn color beak, greener green, and bulkier build.

i am new here but really surprised how rare the species still is even after almost 5 years breeders have been breeding them (not me=(

Sun Conures are CITES II, too... yeah, go figure

sorry to say this but cedarhill does band all birds , all breeders . other wise they wouldnt be able to tell which parents are to which birds , i know this i bought two females who were going out to be breeders , but since i needed two females he sold them to me and they are banded. duh how else is he going to make sure he doesnt breed brother and sister duh . and the letters are as EA CA not even what you thought now huh its is first intal and last name intal , erica dad help him get started when he was a young boy and his passion has grown , he also has 3 other breeding places out side of usa , with very rare birds , duh i live only 7 miles from the man and he is the one who gave me corkie my sprayled leg dusky , again this breeeder has heart, he takes some to los angels ships some to arizona and ships all over the place , i also know this , eric is a sweet man and so is his wife and kids , they take pride in thier birds but all his birds are banded sorry even his breeders , how ever once they are sold who ever has them may remove the bands ,, specailly the only way to tell and be able to sex them is to have a band number other wise they cant dna sex them and if you look on males the left wing has a x on it or a dot thats tatooed into the wing females are on the right wing with either a x or a dot, ,gee how would i know that unless cedarhills didnt tell me , i ask questions he asnwers the best he can , and trys to be honest with every one.. i like him and im glad he has what he has but dont try to say he dont band his birds because he does, only time i havent seen a band on a bird is if its sprayled legs or has a deformality .. thats the only time i havent seen him band one

lucky35 wrote:sorry to say this but cedarhill does band all birds ... all his birds are banded ... dont try to say he dont band his birds because he does, only time i havent seen a band on a bird is if its sprayled legs or has a deformality .. thats the only time i havent seen him band one

i'm not "trying" to say anything. i have NO idea why you keep bringing the breeder's name into this, and their family now. business is business. facts are facts. don't you feel ashamed to claim you know everything about an aviary's operations to the T just because you are fond of them? i am fond of them too, but would never throw around generalizations like you are, doing, especially with the "always"...

i bought a hoffman's from him that was unbanded, because it is from the original import stock. i bought TWO keel-bill toucan babies from him, and again, THEY WERE UNBANDED.

guess what?!?!? i shipped the FEMALE keel bill toucan to jerry jennings. he has it now. go ask him for the band # -- IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE

don't try to say you know what you don't, lucky. nobody is bad-talking the breeder i happened to get them from, except you, by making very general statements like they "ALWAYS"...

what ever ,since you so into things and claiming unknown fact but i can back mine up ,, but thats besides the point if im not mistaking im glad you can afford 5500 hundred for the FEMALE keel bill toucan. as i know i cant. but i dont want any more since i do have enough to keep me busy i hope you find what you want ,, and get what you want,, but i do know cedar hill s look at his customers page and look for sox and bud honey and sunny and brandi and corkie, im a customer who knows him , so dont say i dont know anything about him ,, proof is i have his birds here , he knows me ,. and thats that. if i had the million bucks i would have took him on his offer of buying him out but i dont , and i dont want too breed ,i like my pets so thank you very much you dont know me and i dont know you , but i do know cedarhills