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OMG this sounds like the same situation I've having with MY LUTINO tiel "Button".
I have brought my tiel to SIX different vets. Like you, she has had blood tests treated for giardia even though it has come up negetive on multiple tests. the only thing that has NOT been done in which my vet is suspect of is having a skin/feather biopsy test for fungal. The "soothing" cream may be aggravating the situation.I even went to a homeopathic vet for MONTHS but nothing helped.I would be curious if the vet that has treated your bird tested for fungal. I have NOT gone in for the test since it is invasive. We did put Button on intraconzole (a strong antifungal) med but her liver started to break down so we had to stop
Button is on harrisons as well plus veggies and of course, high quality seeds. I had taken her off of pastas and muffins fearing for yeast (but that is just my paranioa)
I am still on the fence about the biopsy but at least it would be conclusive of what is going on. She has a weaken immune system so I worry.
I hope this helps and perhaps you could talk to your vet(?) as well.

bostonbudgie wrote:OMG this sounds like the same situation I've having with MY LUTINO tiel "Button".
I have brought my tiel to SIX different vets. Like you, she has had blood tests treated for giardia even though it has come up negetive on multiple tests. the only thing that has NOT been done in which my vet is suspect of is having a skin/feather biopsy test for fungal. The "soothing" cream may be aggravating the situation.I even went to a homeopathic vet for MONTHS but nothing helped.I would be curious if the vet that has treated your bird tested for fungal. I have NOT gone in for the test since it is invasive. We did put Button on intraconzole (a strong antifungal) med but her liver started to break down so we had to stop
Button is on harrisons as well plus veggies and of course, high quality seeds. I had taken her off of pastas and muffins fearing for yeast (but that is just my paranioa)
I am still on the fence about the biopsy but at least it would be conclusive of what is going on. She has a weaken immune system so I worry.
I hope this helps and perhaps you could talk to your vet(?) as well.

Thanks for writing! So yours is balding under her wing, too? Do you happen to have any pics? WOW, maybe between the two of us, we can figure this out!

I stopped using the cream after three days. However, I think it's still all over him since he still smells like aloe. Also, when he's in the shower, the water soaks right through him instead of beading off. This also makes me think he's still coated in that cream stuff somehow.

Mateo has not been treated for anything fungal. I do have a powder I'll be using on him Neo-Predef. Here's what it is: http://www.pfizerah.com/product_overvie ... species=EQ

Mateo also eats Harrison's and Goldenfeast seeds. He was tested for yeast problems at the previous vet, and that test came back normal.

I'll definitely let you know how the Neo-Predef goes. I have high hopes!

Here's a video of Mateo from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLFMaOwrXYI

He's a very spirited dancer!!!

Bluesbird Exotics wrote:He's a very spirited dancer!!!

He does like to bob his head a lot. LOL

I posted a few days ago but unfortunately my post didn't show but anyways I wanted to give you my 2 cents worth.
I have had the same problem with my lutino tiel for over SIX years. I've brought Button to six-seven different vets with inconclusive results. I even brought her to a homeopathic vet undergoing treatment for 2 months. She has been on antibotics, anti-giardia meds for a long time..etc...
The last vet I brought her to suspected it might be fungal/yeast but she needed a skin/feather biopsy to be conclusive. The vet was a bit reluctant on doing it because Button would have to be sedated so we put her on itraconzole for the suspected fungus. Unfortunately the meds are very strong and her liver started to break down so we had to stop. The cure was worst than the disease.She is on milk thistle now for her liver....
I am almost prepared to do the biospy just to rule out funfgus but I am afraid, and at the same time I do not think she can physically handle the "cure".
I guess my only suggestion is to find a certified avain vet and perhap explore this option of a possible fungal infection.Let us know what you have found

bostonbudgie wrote:I posted a few days ago but unfortunately my post didn't show but anyways I wanted to give you my 2 cents worth.
I have had the same problem with my lutino tiel for over SIX years. I've brought Button to six-seven different vets with inconclusive results. I even brought her to a homeopathic vet undergoing treatment for 2 months. She has been on antibotics, anti-giardia meds for a long time..etc...
The last vet I brought her to suspected it might be fungal/yeast but she needed a skin/feather biopsy to be conclusive. The vet was a bit reluctant on doing it because Button would have to be sedated so we put her on itraconzole for the suspected fungus. Unfortunately the meds are very strong and her liver started to break down so we had to stop. The cure was worst than the disease.She is on milk thistle now for her liver....
I am almost prepared to do the biospy just to rule out funfgus but I am afraid, and at the same time I do not think she can physically handle the "cure".
I guess my only suggestion is to find a certified avain vet and perhap explore this option of a possible fungal infection.Let us know what you have found

Your post did show. Look up above! I responded to it, too.

Do you have any pics of Buttons in her current condition?

I will take some pics of Button and have my husband download the pics (I am not very computer savy!)
Button's baldness started off like your bird but has gotten worse. She is completely bald under the wings and "bikini" area.
What was that powder suppose to do? Was it an anti-fungal?
Keep us updated

I checked under www.pfizerah.com to check out that product neo-predef. It looks like it is an anti-germicidal plus it has a numbing effect.FDrom what I read it is used on dogs/cats. I am very interested to see if this works for your bird. I am assuming it was a prescription from your vet. You are in Milan, Italy?
I would guess if the condition gets worse with use then you have a fungal problem (antibotics encourage fungal blooms)

bostonbudgie wrote:I will take some pics of Button and have my husband download the pics (I am not very computer savy!)
Button's baldness started off like your bird but has gotten worse. She is completely bald under the wings and "bikini" area.
What was that powder suppose to do? Was it an anti-fungal?
Keep us updated

Mateo's has gotten somewhat worse, but now that he's off that stupid AviX Soother Plus cream, the area is looking better.

This is the link I posted: http://www.pfizerah.com/product_overvie ... species=EQ

It contains all the product info.

Key Features

* Isoflupredone has a potent anti-inflammatory effect

* Neomycin is widely recognized for its broad spectrum of antibacterial activity

* Tetracaine provides a soothing anesthetic effect

* Prompt relief of symptoms

* Easy to apply

* Adheres to moist surfaces

* Also contains myristyl-gamma-picolinium chloride, which is highly germicidal, non-irritating and relatively non-toxic. In solution, it reduces surface tension and aids in penetration and wetting of tissues. Effective against a wide range of organisms, including Staphylococcus aureus, E. coli, E. typhosa and S. dysenteriae. It has been used preoperatively for disinfection of skin and also for application to superficial injuries, irrigating deep wounds and for application to infections and wounds of mucous membranes

Packaging

Available in 15-g plastic insufflator bottles. Store in a dry place. Replace cap when not in use. This puffer bottle has been designed to permit dusting in any position. Protect the outlet from moisture. Do not allow contact with moist membranes or weeping surfaces.

Dosage/Administration

After cleansing the affected area, apply product by compressing sides of container with short, sharp squeezes. In most cases a single daily application is sufficient; however, it may be applied 1-3 times daily as required.

Precaution

Avoid use of this product with ruptured tympanic membranes. If hearing or balance is affected during treatment, discontinue use.

Federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the order of a licensed veterinarian.

bostonbudgie wrote:I checked under www.pfizerah.com to check out that product neo-predef. It looks like it is an anti-germicidal plus it has a numbing effect.FDrom what I read it is used on dogs/cats. I am very interested to see if this works for your bird. I am assuming it was a prescription from your vet. You are in Milan, Italy?
I would guess if the condition gets worse with use then you have a fungal problem (antibotics encourage fungal blooms)

Yes, I did get it from my avian vet. He's located in Milan, Illinois. Italy! I wish! Milan is across the river from me about 11 miles. I live in Iowa.

So, you say Buttons has had this for about six years? Does she pick the feathers out? Or does she itch/pick as result of the fungus?

ha ha! I didn't realize there was a Milan, Illinois! In Massachusetts, we have a town of Lebanon!
Button pulls out feather stems just like the ones you show with peices of flesh on the ends. It is awful. She started out looking like your tiel with a little baldness under the wings but it has progressed. I hope this neo-predef works for your bird. If so I will print it out to show my vet. If it doesn't work this could show fungus and perhap there is an anti-fungal powder/cream.
Funny.... about 2 months ago I had talked to a bird shop owner (who breeds tiels) about the Harrison's avisooth lotion/spray for Button. He did not want to sell it to me until I talked to my vet first.I'm glad I didn't use it.

bostonbudgie wrote:ha ha! I didn't realize there was a Milan, Illinois! In Massachusetts, we have a town of Lebanon!
Button pulls out feather stems just like the ones you show with peices of flesh on the ends. It is awful. She started out looking like your tiel with a little baldness under the wings but it has progressed. I hope this neo-predef works for your bird. If so I will print it out to show my vet. If it doesn't work this could show fungus and perhap there is an anti-fungal powder/cream.
Funny.... about 2 months ago I had talked to a bird shop owner (who breeds tiels) about the Harrison's avisooth lotion/spray for Button. He did not want to sell it to me until I talked to my vet first.I'm glad I didn't use it.

Yeah, and it's pronounced MY-Lin. We're backwards like that. There's also a Paris, IA. Lebanon would be cool!

I saw Mateo pull out another feather last night. He was preening hard on his wing shoulders and kept trying to pull one out. He finally got it out and yeah, it looked like it had some flesh attached to it.

I'm glad we can all learn from one another, esp with stuff like the AviX cream. Cream and feathers don't mix. I think he's still coated in that stuff 'cause he still smells like aloe and water still soaks right through him. I'm hoping his next molt will take care of that.

I don't want to rush to the vet again...I hope this powder helps.

I need to call the vet today, too, and see exactly what giardia test he ran.

I would check with the vet before trying this, but thought I'd mention that our local avian vet has been involved with rescued wild birds caught in oil spills & they clean the birds with dawn. I learned this when my bird jumped into the dish water. I called all paniced, fearing the soap--which was dawn--would harm her. That's when he told me about oil spill birds. He said to just be sure to rinse & rinse & rinse again. I think he said with the oiled birds they'd wash with soapy water then rinse 5 or 6 times. I could ask him the exact procedure if you'd like to try it. Could be better than waiting for a molt.

Bubblelady wrote:I would check with the vet before trying this, but thought I'd mention that our local avian vet has been involved with rescued wild birds caught in oil spills & they clean the birds with dawn. I learned this when my bird jumped into the dish water. I called all paniced, fearing the soap--which was dawn--would harm her. That's when he told me about oil spill birds. He said to just be sure to rinse & rinse & rinse again. I think he said with the oiled birds they'd wash with soapy water then rinse 5 or 6 times. I could ask him the exact procedure if you'd like to try it. Could be better than waiting for a molt.

Yeah, I've heard that before.

He should be due for a molt soon.

I'm due to go back to the vet in February, but I can always go back sooner.