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Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:57 am

callisto9 wrote:... I wonder how it started though. Where did it come from?


IMHO the priorities in your situation are diagnosis, treatment, and -- only then -- understanding origin. Not that the understanding is insignificant, but diagnosis and treatment are FAR more so IMO. Spores are ubiquitous in our environment. The wing pit is a warm, moist area with little ventilation, perfect for growing a fungal infection. Letting it continue all these months w/o effective treatment is dangerous because your bird's immune system is continuously involved in keeping the infection from overwhelming your bird's body. If another health threat comes along, your bird's resources are depleted and the threat to life is much greater.


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  • Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:41 am

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:
    callisto9 wrote:... I wonder how it started though. Where did it come from?


    IMHO the priorities in your situation are diagnosis, treatment, and -- only then -- understanding origin. Not that the understanding is insignificant, but diagnosis and treatment are FAR more so IMO. Spores are ubiquitous in our environment. The wing pit is a warm, moist area with little ventilation, perfect for growing a fungal infection. Letting it continue all these months w/o effective treatment is dangerous because your bird's immune system is continuously involved in keeping the infection from overwhelming your bird's body. If another health threat comes along, your bird's resources are depleted and the threat to life is much greater.


    Well obviously my priority is diagnosis and treatment. But I can only progress at a certain pace with trips to the vet, trial of treatments, etc. I was just thinking out loud when I said I wondered where it came from. But, there's only so much I can do each month. And, if Mateo's problem IS indeed behavioral, then there is no harm to his immune system, which brings me back to my initial thought of wondering where this came from - stress (behavioral) or fungal (medical).
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:46 am

    What has your vet said about testing/treating for a fungal infection? I've apparently missed posts over the holidays -- I thought you'd not taken him back in quite a while and had not discussed the possibility of a fungal infection. Sorry for being behind.
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby bostonbudgie on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:35 pm

    How is Mateo doing? Is he still picking? Do you see him actually tearing feathers or chunks of flesh out or has he stopped?
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:43 pm

    bostonbudgie wrote:How is Mateo doing? Is he still picking? Do you see him actually tearing feathers or chunks of flesh out or has he stopped?

    I do not see him picking anymore, but he's still bald under his wings. I'm trying a supplement from the vet, but it's making no difference. He has another vet visit in February. All else is OK though.
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby bostonbudgie on Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:12 pm

    If he has damaged the feather follicles then the feathers will not grow back. The important thing is weather or not he is still picking his feathers.
    I can accept the fact that Button's feathers will not grow back. What bothers me is that she continues to tear her feathers/flesh out... :(
    What suppliment did the vet give you? And why did the vet give you a suppliment?
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:26 pm

    bostonbudgie wrote:If he has damaged the feather follicles then the feathers will not grow back. The important thing is weather or not he is still picking his feathers.
    I can accept the fact that Button's feathers will not grow back. What bothers me is that she continues to tear her feathers/flesh out... :(
    What suppliment did the vet give you? And why did the vet give you a suppliment?

    I'm really not sure why the vet gave me the supplement he did. It's some protein thing from Lafeber. A powder.

    Mateo does not seem to be preening aggressively anymore, which is good. It looks like some of the feathers have grown back in, but he's about where he was when this start in terms of baldness.

    I see the vet again in February. I will pursue the fungal idea with him and see what happens. I will of course keep you posted.
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby bostonbudgie on Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:06 am

    A protien suppliment from labevfer? I am assuming it is a prescription. From what I have been following it sounds like Matteo is improving. Less picking and slight feather grow back..
    I would like to know the suppliment's name and yes, please keep me updated on your next vet visit!
    Button was doing pretty good..for awhile..But recently, she has been viciously tearing at hersself again. I think hormones aggravate the inflamation process as well. I noticed she was letting her toy swing on her back (this makes her "sexual") She has been biting me more than usual as well.Poor Button.. :(
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:24 am

    bostonbudgie wrote:A protien suppliment from labevfer? I am assuming it is a prescription. From what I have been following it sounds like Matteo is improving. Less picking and slight feather grow back..
    I would like to know the suppliment's name and yes, please keep me updated on your next vet visit!
    Button was doing pretty good..for awhile..But recently, she has been viciously tearing at hersself again. I think hormones aggravate the inflamation process as well. I noticed she was letting her toy swing on her back (this makes her "sexual") She has been biting me more than usual as well.Poor Button.. :(


    Yeah, it's a powdered supplement that I add to his food. I will certainly get you the name of it. And I will definitely post back after I go to the vet in February.

    I wouldn't say he's really improved though. I would say he got better after the AviX cream only because that made the situation worse. He's where he was when I noticed this problem way back at the end of last summer. However, I haven't seen him picking/preening aggressively like he used to, so maybe THAT'S an improvement. It still seems odd to me that he hasn't moulted for well over 5 months now. I could have always sworn he moulted a few times a year. But maybe the change to a better diet has changed that? I don't know. How often do your cockatiel moult?
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby bostonbudgie on Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:27 pm

    Button has never moulted that I can recall...she will get new feathers on her head though but she tears the "buds" out...
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:36 pm

    bostonbudgie wrote:Button has never moulted that I can recall...she will get new feathers on her head though but she tears the "buds" out...


    She's never moulted? Don't they HAVE to moult at least once a year?
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:39 pm

    Read the section here about molting: http://www.cockatielcottage.net/questions4.html

    What is molting? My bird is losing so many feathers. Molting is the normal shedding (replacement) of old feathers with the simultaneous growth of new ones. Cockatiels will have a normal, heavy molt 2-3 times each year. The entire process from loss of feathers to replacement of a fully grown feathers can take up to 10 weeks or longer depending on an individual bird. A cockatiel's first normal molt occurs between 6-12 months of age. When your bird is molting you will find an abundance of small feathers on the bottom of the cage floor. You will also find little transparent flakes that resemble dandruff being shed as well. The flakes are part of the keratin sheath that protects new, growing feathers. New feathers that are growing in are called Blood Feathers or pin feathers. New, growing feathers look like sharp little pins and they are most noticeable on the top of your bird's head and around the neck area. Pin feathers are very uncomfortable for your bird and they are painful if moved the wrong way. Molting is a stressful and uncomfortable time for your bird. He/she will be less active, a bit more cranky and have a greater need for calcium and protein. Supplement your cockatiel's diet with dark green leafy vegetables and scrambled eggs, cooked chicken, fish and lean meats. Your bird will also appreciate bathing or water misting baths to help soften and loosen the hard keratin coating on new feathers. More information about molting can be found below.

    Molting Part 2 Although not really noticeable, birds are actually in a continuous state of molt, which scientists at the University of California have based on the loss of specific wing feathers throughout the year. Birds do not lose all of their feathers at the same time. If they did lose all 2000-3000 feathers on their bodies at the same time they would be cold, their skin would be unprotected and they would not be able to fly. Wing and tail feathers are replaced gradually at various times of the year and heavier molting takes place when the weather is warmer, Spring and Autumn. Additional heavy molts are considered abnormal and can be caused by stress, poor nutrition or illness. If your bird is having an abnormal molt, please consult an avian vet. Other abnormal conditions include heavy molting all year long bare or sparsely feathered areas that you can see through to the skin. Failure to molt at least once a year is also abnormal and this has a medical basis. If your bird has any abnormal condition, please consult an avian vet.
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby MFids on Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:39 pm

    bostonbudgie wrote:I think hormones aggravate the inflamation process as well.


    Just thinking on this some more... lutinos do have less feathering than other mutations, which I'm sure I've already mentioned that... however, just for something completely random... inflammation. What about cherries? Black cherry juice? Frozen cherries? Try adding cherry in some form (black cherry juice as a side drink, or perhaps mixed into their fresh foods) into their diet. It's great for inflammation! And the kidneys, too! (supposedly, mutations have more kidney problems than others... so it wouldn't hurt to try!).
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby callisto9 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:24 pm

    MFids wrote:
    bostonbudgie wrote:I think hormones aggravate the inflamation process as well.


    Just thinking on this some more... lutinos do have less feathering than other mutations, which I'm sure I've already mentioned that... however, just for something completely random... inflammation. What about cherries? Black cherry juice? Frozen cherries? Try adding cherry in some form (black cherry juice as a side drink, or perhaps mixed into their fresh foods) into their diet. It's great for inflammation! And the kidneys, too! (supposedly, mutations have more kidney problems than others... so it wouldn't hurt to try!).


    Thanks for the tip. I'll have to give that a try.

    I'm still curious about the moulting thing. I wonder why Mateo hasn't moulted in so long.
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    Re: Cockatiel balding under wings

    Postby MFids on Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:12 pm

    This may be off topic, but perhaps some might be interested. A lutino pearl cockatiel, young, has been diagnosed with AGY (Avian Gastric Yeast, formally known as megabacteria). Supposedly, AGY usually happens when a bird is already under stress and thus their immune system is weakened. This tiel had some damage done to her tail area, which did result in nerve damage. It's possible that during the stress of all that, she got AGY.

    Avian Gastric Yeast

    This organism can prove very frustrating to diagnose in a bird suspected of harboring it. In our pet birds, clinical signs can be very vague indications of illness, or the bird may show evidence of chronic disease, characterized by regurgitation, weight loss and death. This is a common presentation in the budgerigar. In some species, such as color mutations of the green-rumped parrotlet, the disease may present as an acute or sub-acute disease. However, in many companion bird species, infection may not result in clinical signs. It is suspected that there are different degrees of pathogenicity of AGY.


    Avian Gastric Yeast (aka Megabacteria): Should You Be Worried?
    Avian Gastric Yeast Formerly Megabacteria


    I'm not suggesting that any of the lutinos here have AGY, on the contrary I would not believe they have it as they show no signs of disease, but it *is* fungal, and is treatable.




    As for molting, well birds under stress or even lacking in diet (which I doubt) may not molt. This is something that may be best asked by a vet to see if they have any other ideas.
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