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tiels and dogs

Postby budglo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:53 pm

I am the proud owner of 2 male tiels and they are really attached to me .My girlfriend will be living with me soon and she has just bought a lab puppy.My concern is how compatible are these two species? I know that labs are gentle dogs, but they are hunters too.I have read that to never have them together in the same room unsupervised, which is wise.Does anyone have any experience with other pets , especially labs ?Thanks for your input in advance.Bud


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  • Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Sherwin's Mom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:03 pm

    Hmmmmm. You might get varying opinions here, but I will share my story. My sister has 3 grown labs, one yellow, one chocolate and one black. I had on of my tiels around all three of her labs and I never took my bird out around the dogs. They were way too curious and by the way they acted, I knew they would have attacked the bird. Her chocolate lab is the hunter and goes after anything that is small and moves fast, so I knew better. They were all grown when they were around my tiel and her dogs were not raised around birds, so I'm sure that makes a difference. It might be different if a puppy is raised around your two birds. I have heard of people who have dogs and birds who live harmoniously together, so it's not impossible. Just err on the side of caution and introduce the puppy to the birds slowly. I hope it works out!
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Yogi on Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:59 pm

    Although dogs and birds can be bosum buddies dogs carry germs in their saliva and toenails that are entirely foreign to parrots. They have no natural immunity to these germs so it will be a medical emergency if the bird is bitten or scratched. I dunno a lab puppy is pretty rambunctious. They kinda like to pounce on something and then pick it up,Either one of those actions can cause injury. Bear what i said in mind and use your own judgement.-----Yogi
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby budglo on Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:55 am

    The good thing is that it will be a few months before they are moving in, so they will have time to get aquainted slowly.I definately wont have them out when the dog is able to roam free cuz things can get unpredictable.As far as the dogs being germ carriers, i didnt know that.I thought it was the cats that was the carriers, but you learn something new everyday.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby bostonbudgie on Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:39 am

    To be honest..not a good idea. Birds are "playthings" for dogs especially hunter dogs.
    Yeah, I've heard all kinds of stories how 'they are best buds" or "my dogs ignores them" etc.. and I've also heard, "I left the room for a minute..the dog never bothered with the birds before and Fido grabbed the bird"
    soooooo..... :shock:
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Diego's Mom, Lisa on Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:42 am

    I have 2 Dachshunds and 1 tiel. My little Cookie was just a tiny puppy when we got her and we already had Casper (the tiel). They used to sleep on my lap side-by-side. Cookie has never once tried to "eat" Casper. But when Casper flies, Cookie will chase her. That is their instinct. Radcliffe, my larger, older Doxie would have Casper for lunch in a heartbeat. If they are all sitting on the couch with me, they all get along fine. But I still act very cautiously. I never turn my back on them, never have my hands full in case one of them does leap at her.

    Radcliffe actually went nose to beak with Casper last night and she nipped him on the nose. She is the boss, but she is also the hunted!!

    I do love sitting at the computer with 2 dogs in my lap and a bird on my shoulder. Everyone has their space and they usually respect it.

    They can learn to get along...but nature is always a bit stronger. We have to keep that in mind.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:13 pm

    Has your gf already signed up for puppy training classes? REALLY necessary with every dog IMO. It would be good to tell the trainer of the upcoming move into a bird home and get tips on safety. Even while the birds are caged, it's easy for a large dog to topple most smaller bird cages. Many birds are killed that way :cry:
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby christie on Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:21 pm

    For the first 4 years of Tweety's years with us we had a small dog. For the first two years they were never out in the same room together. They learned to get along, but I did know a lady who brought a dog into her house, and within minutes the new dog had knocked over her tiel's cage and killed it. The dog went back where it came from, she and her husband were devistated over the loss of their baby.

    I would keep them completely seperate just to be safe. Remember, dog saliva is dangerous, they just have to lick the bird or get a few feathers that are later groomed to harm your bird.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby MFids on Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:44 pm

    budglo wrote:The good thing is that it will be a few months before they are moving in, so they will have time to get aquainted slowly.I definately wont have them out when the dog is able to roam free cuz things can get unpredictable.As far as the dogs being germ carriers, i didnt know that.I thought it was the cats that was the carriers, but you learn something new everyday.


    Any predatory mammal has dangerous saliva to birds... this includes cats, dogs, ferrets, even humans. This is why they say not to share YOUR food with YOUR birds if you've eaten from your own food.

    Other than only taking the tiel out while the pup is locked up or outside, it would be a wise choice to get a puppy pen to put around the cage.

    Dogs, when raised with toys, will think of anything above their head as a toy. So a bird who is above them could easily be considered a toy, especially when the bird moves.


    As far as dogs and birds... well we have an akita mix... some people think he's half pit, some think he's half lab. Since I have no interest in doing the heritage test to see exactly what he is, I'll never know for sure! I only know he is half akita as that's what his mother is - a full blood akita. Akitas are known for hunting down small prey, as well as protecting families, so they ARE difficult dogs to keep... But I must tell you, his mother was the sweetest dog possible! Sure, she chased our cats, but she never hurt them! She's an expert at destroying fences, wooden or hurricane fencing! We couldn't keep her in the yard very well! But she was a loyal and sweet dog! We were fostering her and her pups. Given time she learned to leave the cats around (particularly when one turns around and decides he's had ENOUGH of it! and attacks the dog...), learned her manners as well as some tricks, very smart! She was adopted into a family that had a small breed dog (couldn't have been more than 5-8 lbs max), a young child and a toddler, a rabbit, and later on, two kittens. Honestly, that family couldn't have asked for a better dog! As for the pup we kept, I can't say he took after his mother very well, since he's not the brightest of dogs... he leaves the inside cats alone, one actually scares him, but he'll chase outside cats (if the cats aren't afraid to show fang and claw, he'll leave them be, with a 10' plus radius!). He's a loyal doofy dog, and he ignores the birds other than being curious about sniffing them. He may have an interest in mice, but he ignores the birds.

    My point being, is that people have kept hunter dogs with birds without problems. However, like others have said, there have been some dogs that have left the birds alone for maybe years but then one day things changed, and the birds were dead.


    If the pup isn't already in them, I would suggest puppy training classes. They are not only good for training dogs, but also great in keeping those dogs socialized with other dogs and humans, thus they make better companions as adults. Our dog never got any training classes so he's shy of strangers. A previous dog we had was abused as a pup, never got those training classes, and thus was aggressive to strangers (well barking, at least), but he hurt two little girls due to his past abuse, and had to be put down. As much as I may be the primary care taker of the animals we have here, such as food, cleaning, exercise, etc, I have very little say so when it comes to important stuff such as training classes and vet appointments... I honestly never want to have to go through the experience again of having to put a pet down because of previous owners who wanted to keep the animal, but abused him at the same time.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby budglo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:43 am

    I agree puppy training classes are in order.I would never leave the house unless one of them were locked in a seperate room and i doubt i would ever take the tiels out while the dog was free to roam.I am gonna be really cautious no matter what.as labs are hunters by nature .I wouldnt want any ything to happen to my birds .The dog will be in a dog crate while we arent at home anyways.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Claudia on Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:24 am

    ..............and perhaps keep the cage up high (if at all possible) so puppy can't get to the bird
    Have fun though, looooooooooove Labradors :D
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Diego's Mom, Lisa on Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:51 am

    Yea, having small dogs is a lot easier. I am sure a lab could knock down most cages. Mine are so short that they can't reach either of the bird cages. And the tables that the cages are on are too heavy for the doggies to knock over.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby takoda on Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:46 am

    a bird dog + a bird is never a good mix.

    Never get the birds out while the dog is in the room. Being raised with birds helps a bit so they don't knock the cage over.... but that's about it. Take it from me - I've got an assortment of five dogs.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby budglo on Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:00 pm

    Thanks, and i agree.When the birds are out, the dog will be in his dog cage and visa versa.I also plan on getting one of those heavy metal cages that come on casters so the dog cant knock it over and have a dedicated room just for the birds that i can lock the door when i am not at home or the dog is out.I would never fool myself to think that the dog and the birds can be buddies.
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    Re: tiels and dogs

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:13 pm

    Many of the tragedies I've read about happened when the safeguards were somehow thwarted -- faulty locks, doors that weren't securely closed though they seemed to be, or visitors not knowing the rules of the house. You just can't be TOO careful. It's a bother and chaffs at times, seeming unnecessary after years of no problems. But the accident is always a terrible surprise, and the bird is always the one who dies.
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