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Postby Luna Bella on Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:25 pm

I would NOT try getting her fertile eggs - sounds like it would encourge her to lay more when she sees her "babies".

My understanding is you have had her for about 3-4 weeks at this point. Even though she is laying and usually that's a sign of comfort, I think trying to make changes in the diet now would be too overwhelming for her.

I would do the following in addition to 14 hours of "night": don't agitate her, post a message on the breeders chat section they deal with egg laying all the time - that's how breeding is done. Go to other message boards - to the breeder section and get different opinions. Call an avian vet! I forgot what its called, maybe lupron, anyway it is a hormone -birdie birth control - and lasts up to 12 weeks or so. Don't get excited about the eggs in front of her - If you start acting excited either good or bad it could be rewarding the egg laying behavior - ignore the eggs - leave them all their until SHE gives them ALL up.

After this laying business ends, work on diet, training, cuddling and bonding with her - right now she is on a mission and doesn't want to be messed with.

Good luck again and keep us posted.


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Postby GoldiesMom on Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:51 pm

oh dear
this am looked promising , but coming home from work , i have another surprise . Goldie is again on the ousted egg (so i thought)and ..dont know what to say anymore we now have 4 eggs .dear Lord have mercy
i have all i can do to get her to get up of the eggs and eat seed or anything , she is not inclined to waist any time at all . i am just so worried about her , after all her eggs are on the crate floor. my gosh how confy can that be ?
i ger het her to come when i caome close to the cage (in her eyes no doubt to protect )in my eyes get a little exerceise Girl . oh well i will have to wait her out , not much choice here . how many eggs can they lay ????
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Postby GoldiesMom on Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:54 pm

one more idea please tell me if i was to take out all of her eggs right now ? what do you think would happen ?
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Postby GoldiesMom on Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:57 pm

another Idea , do you honestly think if i got her a mate , the egg laying would stop ?? mating would have to take place right ? but what if she does not know about mating and she had a young ? partner ? do i make any sense here ?
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Postby Luna Bella on Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:24 pm

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! :shock: No mates! She is already a layer - then you'll have babies to contend with - of course if you want that then get her a mate. BUT if you do get her a mate then forget about bonding with you - she won't need you - she has a mate!! :wink:

They KNOW about the birds and the bees - it's a genetic thing to procreate and make babies. Being human we can choose when that takes place - well theoretically.

If you take the eggs out now, one of 2 things will happen (from what I've read - not experience). 1. and most likely, she'll replace the missing eggs since a predator (you) took them and she needs to replace them. This will prolong the current problem, it will cause physical stress on her body since she hasn't been eating much, depletes her calcium which is used to make egg shell and increase the risk of her getting eggbound which could result in death. or 2 not likely, she'll just roll with the puches and not give it a second thought and that will end it - from everything I've read that doesnt't happen very often.

PLEASE consult with a breeder or a local bird store or an avian vet.
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Postby chibi-tori on Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:16 am

GoldiesMom,

A little bit of insight for you. Birds, as all other living things have a natural instinct to procreate and sustain the species. Some have stronger instincts to make babies than others, but it's a completely natural thing for her to be doing, albeit maybe a little more so than normal. She could possibly lay up to 8 eggs before she's finished, but lets hope not. At some point, she will eat -- she has to in order to be able to lay more eggs, and she will not starve herself completely unless there is such a hormonal and mental imbalance that she is driven to lay come hell or high water. What you might want to do for her is make access to food and water easier, i.e., put her regular food very close by her egg clutch so she does not have to leave them for a long time. This should not induce or make her lay any more eggs than she's is going to lay, but will help prevent her from going down the tubes from lack of nutrition. You might try adding some hard boiled egg with half the shell left on it, just in case she were to decide she needed something crunchy to nibble on. It's not normally good to give chicken egg shells unless they have been baked as they can harbor some types of bacteria that are not really good, but nonetheless, I'd risk having her eat more shell and get the calcium before I'd let her become calcium deficient. As for comfort, she will give up any comforts to the extreme, thinking she's doing the right thing to have her clutch hatch. It's unfortunate that the hens don't know they will never hatch, but I guess that's one of natures unresolved mistakes, like so many others. My advice to you is simply to let nature take its course, try to provide any extra nutrition you can for her, and just let her be unless she wants the attention. Yes, it's going to take some time for her to give up on the eggs, and you're probably looking at a month since the first egg, or at least 21 days after the last egg is laid. I wish we could give you more help than what we've suggested, but unfortunately, most of use here are not breeders, and what I've suggested is only what I've learned through reading and studying about cockatiel behavior. I do not have first hand experience, but the things I and others have suggested is considered "best practice" with respect to egg laying, and preventing, or coping with it. We all know you miss having her with you, and her being her normal self, as well as you wanting her to bond with you. Patience my dear, patience. If you feel things have really gotten out of hand, your best option, as always, is to consult your avian vet. For her health and your peace of mind, that is always a good option.

I'm pulling for your baby to stop laying eggs and get the process over with. Just keep us posted as to what happens, and if you ever feel there is something really wrong, by all means, contact your vet.
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Postby GoldiesMom on Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:29 am

well again i have to say thank you for all your support goldie is at least eating again and once i even got her to come up and sit at the edge of her cage door only a couple of min. but better then nothing .
so i guess it looks as we will have to wait mother nature out be patient and hope all goes well with her.

mate is out i see realy dont want to get into breeding at all just want my baby back. she is still eating her calcium block real good at least i hopw that will keep her up.

im still trying to offer veggies to her so far still no luck but i will keep trying.
hopefully she wont lay anymore eggs now , i can tell she is realy having a hard time covering 4 of them lol she is realy puffed out there
i did put a Birdie Egg Biscuit in front of her and i noticed she likes that pretty good , have no idea how much nurishment she gets out of it ,but at least she is eating something
thank you all Goldies Mom
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Postby chibi-tori on Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:45 am

You might try a variation in the size of the vegetables. Sometimes large pieces won't work, so cut them into much smaller pieces. I found that baby bok-choy will be eaten much quicker if I chop it into very small pieces, vs. giving them the whole stalk, so now I just cut it up, mix the leaf portion in amongst the harder stem, and they seem to like it better that way. Mine don't like any kind of orange vegetable nor corn, regardless how it's presented. You kind of have to experiment with different presentations of whatever you're trying to get her to eat.
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