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Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:23 pm

Such a week you've had too :cry: Tho your story is all too familiar, the posts of your fresh anguish pull up -- for me and probably for each of us -- the horror we've each felt losing a loved one. The raw emotion that feels too much to bear, being unable to eat or sleep, crying until our cheeks feel raw and then crying more. The disbelief and desperation to roll back time and replay with very different events. Thank you for loving Quavers so deeply and for holding her as she died, David. The images may feel haunting now, but I hope you will come to take comfort from them in time, as your grieving rolls through the necessary stages. From your description, Quavers' last moments sound very much like my mother's, but she was alone in her bed. We know she was silent tho, despite the seeming violence of the splattered blood. No cry awakened the humans or the 4 dogs sleeping nearby. The bursting of those vessels surely happened after she was past any sensation of pain. I hope it was so, and with Quavers too. And Quavers wasn't alone. She was in your hands, looking into your eyes. That's exactly how I've always wanted each of my babies to die. Please think about this and work at getting your brain to reinterpret those images and memories that are causing you such pain.

Quavers wrote: A few months ago my 2 year old cockatiel started to slow down and became unwell with a clicking noise as she breathed. In a blind panick I rushed her to the vets and she was given Doxycycline, which we had to put in her water. After a few Days she became well and back to herself and upto her old tricks, ruling the house etc. Although the clicking was still there the vet said she was fine and healthy, didn't really examine her, more asked us questions. He said she would be fine to go London to our Family for Christams, so we did and she seemed ok.


If it were my vet you had taken Quavers to initially, tests would have been done to attempt to learn what was making her sick. The respiratory symptoms you describe for us could be caused by many things, including psittacosis and aspergillosis. B/c your vet prescribed doxycycline, he might have suspected psittacosis or a number of other bacteria, such as the spiral bacteria described in this 2008 brief: http://pharmdjd.com/u/s_vet/vet_avian.htm Notice that the treatment period is 3 wks. As you might know now but perhaps did not know then, it is VERY important that the meds not be discontinued early simply b/c symptoms disappear. This can cause bacterial infections to grow undetected and be resistant to future treatment by the antibiotics. Testing at that initial visit might have identified the precise cause, but b/c Quavers' symptoms were gone so soon, your vet likely felt confident the doxy had cured her. The continued clicking, however, would have given my own vet -- and me -- cause for alarm.

While psittacosis and many other avian respiratory infections are easily identified by testing, aspergillosis often is not. Research progress is being made, but many vets will not suggest an asper test w/o first seeing if a course of antibiotic treatment relieves the bird of symptoms. Asper is a fungal infection, usually slow growing, so this conservative course usually does no harm and can save the client money since no avian test is inexpensive. Many people have an aversion to spending more on vet care than they did to purchase a bird, which means few owners even seek vet care for cheap birds such as 'tiels, budgies, canaries, and finches. Making it harder for the vet is our human tendency to want "everything done" to save our bird in a life-threatening situation, despite our ignorance at that emotional moment of what "everything" might cost. Here in the US, many vets will require the client to sign as estimate of what the cost might be before even examining a bird a new client says is acting very sick. This is done for the client's protection, to put the $$$ into print before commitment is made.

While I have no explanation for why your emergency vet took your Baytril or told her colleague the dosage was too strong, I don't find the fees out of line. When one of my birds was bitten and required emergency care on Boxing Day evening 3 yrs ago, I called to alert the clinic that I was rushing to them with a bleeding emergency. I was told the emergency fee would be $100 in addition to the normal vet exam cost of $75. This was almost exactly what you were charged per the conversion link Google gave me. Naturally my brain flashed the thought "Gosh, that's a lot of money!" But it didn't slow me down a second, and never once since have I considered the cost unreasonable. But that might be b/c my bird is eating breakfast in the next room. Watching your bird die surely could make the cost seem MUCH higher.

I wonder how much of that response comes from our human tendency to want to blame someone for our crises. The anger can be beneficial in the short term, distracting us from the pain that feels too much to bear, but in the longer term, it delays healing, David. You've blamed the vets, yourself, and god. Your grief is quite enough to endure. You won't benefit from heaping anger into the emotional mix. Many losses come about "naturally," w/o being caused by anyone. If there is human cause for Quavers' premature death, it might be a little shared by several, including the person in whose aviary Quavers hatched. The love you felt at first meeting makes me think Quavers was hand-fed. Your new bird's reactions sound more like those of a parent-fed chick. In some countries, it is illegal to hand feed chicks b/c it can be so dangerous. Each drop of formula the human puts into the chick's mouth must be swallowed just the right way or there is the danger some of it goes in a wrong direction, setting up the chick for aspergillosis as she grows. This may well be what happened to Quavers. There's no way to know now. Parent-fed chicks are usually healthier physically and emotionally. The little time and patience needed to tame a parent-fed chick is nothing compared to the long yrs of love you can enjoy together.

Quavers wrote: I asked for a post mortum, after her death but they said it wasn't needed and that she died naturally. I am not sure Heart attack at the age of 2 is natural.


I can't guess why the vet considered a necropsy ("post mortum") a bad idea in your case, unless you or Laura or her mom was heard commenting about the vet expense being a lot for your budget. A necropsy in my area (Washington DC) is about $100. Often the vet's examination of the body is unrevealing and tissues are sent for laboratory examination. I've had some run as high as ~$500, so it can be a LOT of money for a bird who has died. Likewise, the vet's comment that a necropsy was unnecessary b/c Quavers died "naturally" makes no sense to me. To die of "natural" causes simply means the death wasn't caused by an accident or deliberately. We are never too young to possibly die naturally. Many babies die for myriad reasons. The necropsy might have told you that reason. Some of these puzzling remarks might be miscommunications between you and the vet. You were in shock and probably not tracking as well as when you're calm. Here, cremation would not be done w/o having the client sign to give permission. If cremation is what you mean by "funeral," the £60 charge is very much in line with the expense I'm used to here. The ashes can very easily be mailed to you. There is NO reason to make the long trip to London again to collect them.

My advice is that you let go of your anger as soon as you can and let little Lola help you heal your broken heart. Taming her through consistent love and positive reinforcement will enable a bond between you that feels good to both of you. It will never be exactly what you and Quavers had. It will be different and can be very good. I hope you will continue your research and learning. Have you discovered Parrot Magazine yet? It's a UK publication I recommend: http://www.parrotmag.com/ Read the articles on behavior, nutrition, and hazards first. In your grief and shock, you have had a lapse in judgment IMO by bringing home another bird before taking time to clean. Now you have exposed Lola to Quavers' germs. Let's HOPE they are all non-contagious and will not cause Lola harm. Please be careful with all your decisions these next wks especially. While grieving deeply, we often don't think well. You need to protect your new bird. And on that subject, please read about cookware. Having your bird away from the kitchen is NOT adequate protection when non-stick cookware is in use. Please buy a set of stainless steel or other safe cookware and give your non-stick to someone who doesn't live with a bird.

My best to you three :)


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  • Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby fuzzy on Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:21 pm

    So very sorry to hear of the loss of dear sweet Quavers. :cry: I can totally identify with the raw pain of losing a soul mate... Boo my budgie was my soul mate too and I still miss him terribly.

    Baytril is a commonly prescribed antibiotic in the UK. Boo had been on it a few times in his life with no ill effect - it saved his life when he was very ill from psittacosis. Sadly I can't find the old medicine bottles to check the dosage, but I did look up old invoices for him which said 0.5 x Doxycycline 0.1ml - no idea how that translates. He was 56gms. Avian vets are incredibly expensive, and even more so in London. Clicking can be from all sorts of respiratory disorders as Bluesbird said. Boo had some clicking because of fluid in his lung.

    Give Lola a chance to settle in. She will be able to pick up any sad vibes which might be making her a little on edge... if her new flock are acting as though something is wrong, then there might be something dangerous in the environment. Let her be the one to initiate handling... she might not be ready yet, hence the bite. Lola will be a special bird too in her own way.

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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby Quavers on Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:28 pm

    Thank you Fuzzy, I am calming down now, I seeing the Vetertianry Practice for what it is, a complete Joke. My Current VET here in North Wales, has reckonmend a VET in the Area we are moving to. Lola has been ok today, no nasty bites, we let her out as we are strong believers that Birds need to spread thier wings daily. She is sat with her cage open, but inside the cage now and we have had a little stralk and a very hiss's. To help Lola, we going to get her Sister on Wednesday if we can, so she can have a friend. We have seeked out Insurance for 2 Birds, so that cost is never a facter again, our new Birds will benefit from what we have Learned. Quavers will live on with these 2 because we have learned so much. But they will not replace Quavers. I think Lola is into Computers coz shes watching everything I doing and Typeing. The New Bird will be called Lula. So we will have Lola and Lula. Just wished they had met Quavers, because they would be a great team.
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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby bostonbudgie on Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:45 pm

    Birds are funny little things with their quirks and all.
    Patches (a male pied tiel I aquired a year ago) has been a 'challenge". He has tantrums, screams and bites. It has taken me almost a year to figure out why he does what he does.
    Bottom line is: He wants attention.
    But on HIS terms.
    He gets extremely snotty at night when he is tired. He should be covered for bed at 7:00pm -the latest. He doesn't want to go in the TV room. like the other birds. He wants ME to stay in the bird room. Yes, he is a brat but the key thing with him is patience and look for clues in what triggers certain (wanted and unwanted)behaviors. it is hard for us humans to step out of what we THINK is the "right" way of doing things. I know it has been a learning experience for me. :P
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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby Quavers on Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:58 pm

    I was so bored tonight I decided to make Quavers remembrance Album. So far I have My own personnal Goodbye message in it and my GF's and 2 Feathers (she's lost over the year), we plan to fill it with all her Photo's and Messages. I shall post a Photo of the Book once done. Anyway, what do you think of Quavers Logo?

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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby fuzzy on Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:52 pm

    Love Quavers' logo... you are very talented! I was wondering if the name had anything to do with the crisp/chip. :D Quavers will be proud of you.
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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby Claudia on Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:03 pm

    wow awesome logo, you are indeed very talented :D

    I took in a "lost" cockatiel last year, she flew onto the shoulder of a friend of mine on Christmas eve (hence why we have named her "Holly" :wink: ).
    No owner ever came forward, sadly I think she was set free, being Christmas holidays.
    She is not a strong flyer, she tires very easily so I don't think she came from far as it wasn't windy the day she was found either.
    With all the ads posted you would have thought if her owner really missed her he/she would have come forward :(
    Anyway to cut a long story short, Holly is not a cuddly bird, she is happy to sit on your shoulder for ages but don't try and stroke her, she flies away immediately :?
    She loooooooves my husband and starts calling loudly as soon as she hears his car or his voice :lol:
    Holly was initially a very fussy eater and wouldn't touch any greens except for a bit of apple.
    With persistence I have now got her eating broccoli and bok choy and she absolutely loves bread but I rarely give her that though.
    Each bird is just so individual.
    How old is Lola?
    And it will be lovely for Lola to have her sister as company, it might just mean both birds won't bond too much with you guys though David.
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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby Quavers on Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:27 am

    fuzzy wrote:Love Quavers' logo... you are very talented! I was wondering if the name had anything to do with the crisp/chip. :D Quavers will be proud of you.


    Yes she took Quavers as a name, because the first day we got Quavers, she came out of her cage whilst we was Setting it up, landed on the Sofa and helped herself to Some of my GF's Quavers. From that she got Quavers as a name. She had to have one every time we had a bag. If you tried to pass off a Cheap brand like Morrisons Curls as a Quaver, she knew instantly and would not touch it. She knew and loved her Quavers.

    Claudia wrote:wow awesome logo, you are indeed very talented :D

    I took in a "lost" cockatiel last year, she flew onto the shoulder of a friend of mine on Christmas eve (hence why we have named her "Holly" :wink: ).
    No owner ever came forward, sadly I think she was set free, being Christmas holidays.
    She is not a strong flyer, she tires very easily so I don't think she came from far as it wasn't windy the day she was found either.
    With all the ads posted you would have thought if her owner really missed her he/she would have come forward :(
    Anyway to cut a long story short, Holly is not a cuddly bird, she is happy to sit on your shoulder for ages but don't try and stroke her, she flies away immediately :?
    She loooooooves my husband and starts calling loudly as soon as she hears his car or his voice :lol:
    Holly was initially a very fussy eater and wouldn't touch any greens except for a bit of apple.
    With persistence I have now got her eating broccoli and bok choy and she absolutely loves bread but I rarely give her that though.
    Each bird is just so individual.
    How old is Lola?
    And it will be lovely for Lola to have her sister as company, it might just mean both birds won't bond too much with you guys though David.


    Lola is ok, not had any more serious bites from her, She has a Palette of Fruit to try, needless to say she's opted for the Seed. Had to take her Pink Mineral block off her as she has eaten half of it over night. We keeping a good eye on her as she has gone into a massive eating spell, eaten a whole Millit stem in 1 hour. It started when we hand fed her seeds through the side of the cage. We going to look at getting Lula her sister in a day or 2. Will bring some photo's soon.
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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby goodgirl on Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:36 pm

    The logo is gorgeous! You are artistic indeed.
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    Re: Cockatiel died on Boxing day, need advice and answers please

    Postby Quavers on Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:40 am

    Quavers Cremation will be this Friday at 11:30am
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