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Well, Noah is definitely ready for another clutch cause I did give him a second chance today and he started chewing the box like mad
He went into the box a few times but mainly just sat on the perch on the outside looking inside.
He started making his weird screeching sounds again after a short while whilst looking in the nest box so I knew that was it! Get him out, quick smart!
He makes those sounds when he is upset, it is normally at a perch that has fallen on the ground or a new toy in the aviary etc but I heard him make those noises the other day when he was in the box attacking the babies, that is his real "agro" sound so I knew something was up (plus the absolute screaming of the babies )
Little mongrel is in the dog house now! (well, patio aviary really ) and will stay there till they have all fledged.

Have to tell you something else though....
I have a cinnamon chick in my clutch
If you have another look at the 2nd picture, you can see her up the top and she has a brown crest, not grey, (calling her a she now ).
I had already noticed that her crest was brown but was just wondering why but then I noticed her feathers are brown too this morning
So Noah must be carrying that gene as well, I am stunned (but very very very pleasantly surprised )
I can not see ruby red eyes on this chick though...........I thought cinnamon chicks had ruby coloured eyes????
So I am really not sure what else she could be apart from a cinnamon???...........

The other grey chick appears to be a pearl so that means we got no normal greys at all in this clutch and that would make me very very chuffed (normal greys are so hard to sell you end up giving them away they are just too common)

I will take a picture of this cinnamon bub tomorrow and post it on the forum

Do any of these babies "look different" (coloring etc..?) from previous clutches?
My male Linus was nasty toward his lutino babies (pulling feathers and biting them). he was OK towards the normal greys for the most part but at times he would get pissy with them too. It is almost like he was saying to himself, "they ones are no good (ugly coloring) so I got to get rid of them and start over". And he would start tearing up the paper and pestering lucille (his mate).
I would definitely keep your male away from the babies. He will only get more aggressive.He wants them out of the picture

He attacked all of them, the youngest one only had one little red mark, so nothing to worry about but that bubba was the one without any pinfeathers yet so that might have had something to do with it and yeah, I do have an unusual colour, read the bit above again, I have a cinnamon

today's pics

The cinnamon surprise, now named Mocha


All of them in the box, screeching at me to go away


and the one I suspected to be a pearl and it became clear today he/she really is yayyyyy

They are beautiful little angels
How is the mother towards them? Is she OK and feeding them?
As I said in previous post. Linus (dad) got aggressive towards the babies once their (odd color) feathering came in. However, and then lucille (mum) started to follow suit in the nasty department as well so I had to keep mum & dad away from the babies and hand-feed them.
Soooo keep an eye on mum to see if she is ok with the babies.

Mum (at this stage) is a definite contender for "Mother of the Year" award She is doing great, bubs are nice and fat

I managed to email Noah's breeder and he said Noah's dad was a whiteface and mum a cinnamon, and possibly a cinnamon pearl.
There is no way Noah's dad was a whiteface, it just can not be
I have him paired with a whiteface pearl hen and have not had one single whiteface chick.
If I run what he said through the calculator Meg and Noah's outcome would be totally different to what I have had so far so that whiteface gene is really not possible.
I am actually wondering if he had more males in with the cinnamon mother and Noah's dad is not who the breeder thinks he is

If the mum was indeed a cinnamon pearl then this cinnamon baby would need to be a cinnamon pearl too or possibly a pied cinnamon pearl (nice, nice, nice ) so we will see in the next few days if that is true or not lol
If she turns out to be just cinnamon or a pied cinnamon then I guess Noah's pearl gene came from his daddy (what would I do without Kirsten Munson's calculator )

I do not know much about genetics nor the math equations involved. Linus & Lucille are both normal greys. Their first clutch only produced one viable baby which was a lutino.The second clutch produced two normal greys and two more lutinos!
I do not know their genetic history but do know neither one of them liked/wanted their lutino babies!

your male would have been split for lutino in that case, females can't be split for lutino (or cinnamon, or pearl )
Your lutino babies must have been females then in that case

The breeder should know for sure if Noahs mom was a cinnamon pearl - females keep the pearling.

The good news is they grow fast so you don't have to wait too long to know what you have

Jo

Yeah the breeder should but he might have sold his hen so might not have remembered too well, that's all, not sure if he really kept records, I don't believe so
When I run it through the genetics calculator his mum being a cinnamon pearl makes sense in what I have had so far in the two clutches BUT this little cinnamon bub would need to be a cinnamon pearl or cinnamon pied pearl in that case and I really can not see any pearly markings on her at all, weird hey
This them today


I can already see some pearls on the youngest bub so another pied pearl like last year, nice

Yup my lutinos were all females! Actually all my babies turned out to be females!
Those babies are so cute with their little yellow mohawks!

they are adorable aren't they
I had a good read on Kirsten Munson's website and it had a referral to the National Cockatiel Society site as well and it mentioned genetic "crossovers" which is what might have happened this time.
So Mocha did get her daddy's cinnamon gene but not the pearl gene.
I find it all terribly confusing as I was never any good at genetics at school Biology but oh well, I love the cinnamon colouring and I am absolutely amazed at how brown she really is
Some other cinnamon bub pictures I have seen,the birds were more a pale grey and they were classed as cinnamons, not platinums......

Casey is a cinnamon pearl pied, and she's not brown at all! I'd have to say it's just a variation of the gene... much like in pieds, where you have light pieds, heavy pieds, and clear pieds. You can also see variations within the pearls, some of which may be called lacewings. Some tiels, like Casey, have round shaped pearls, and others have "V" shaped pearls.

My guess though is that Noah probably got the cinnamon gene from his mother, and the pearl gene from his father. I can't recall for sure, but were there any hens in the previous clutch?

Yes, 1 but she was a normal grey
When I put what you said "through the calculator" (which I have obviously already done before, to try and work out all possibilities lol ) you get this


Mother:Whiteface Pearl Split To Pied
Father:Grey Split To Pied {X1: Pearl} {X2: Cinnamon}

male offspring:
13% Pied Pearl Split To Whiteface
13% Pied Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}
13% Pearl Split To Whiteface
13% Grey Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}
25% Pearl Split To Pied Whiteface
25% Grey Split To Pied Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Pearl}

female offspring:
13% Pied Pearl Split To Whiteface
13% Pied Cinnamon Split To Whiteface
13% Pearl Split To Whiteface
13% Cinnamon Split To Whiteface
25% Pearl Split To Pied Whiteface
25% Cinnamon Split To Pied Whiteface


Now this makes sense considering Mocha is cinnamon, and not a pearl or pied (am positive of that, had another cuddle with her today ) BUT...........where is my grey female then

I guess I will know for definate, if my pied boy with his cinnamon w/f girl, will be throwing cinnamon babies.
If they do, I know that Saffron, the pied boy, is in that case split for cinnamon which is in the calculations above.
Still doesn't explain a normal grey female in that case then though
Oh boooyyyy it is all just waaaaaayyyyy too confusing

Saffron and his girl Coco have got eggs at the moment, if they do hatch I will let you know what colours they are.
I guess it still comes down to "chance" a lot too hey