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Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

Postby christie on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:42 pm

I did find on exception to the rule, PLATNUM tiels. http://members.optusnet.com.au/~geoffwatts1/Platinum.html

They are off of the same lutino gene but produce a silver color...


The Platinum Cockatiels mutation is a sex-linked recessive gene that gives solid body-coloured birds in the same manner as Cinnamon. The usual differences between the sexes is still evident although there is often more yellow colouration present on the hens of this mutation than other solid coloured birds. The male does gain a melanin overlay as he matures making him generally a darker coloured bird than the hen. Usually the Platinum colour is deeper on the flight and tail feathers. Some Platinum birds almost appear a lavender shade when yellow pigments are present.

The Platinum gene is from the same family as the Lutino. A 'family' of genes is produced when more than one mutation is present at the same site on a chromosome. Here we have the lutino and platinum being at the same location yet having a different visual outcome. This has occurred as a result of a single gene being altered in two different ways giving us two genes that are both variations of the same original gene. I will discuss this further when we get to Platino Cockatiels.

The Lutino acts by preventing the depositing of the grey/brown family pigments or melanins. Platinum has the same effect but does not completely eliminate all the melanin as does Lutino. It is referred to as an 'intermediate' mutation. With Platinum Cockatiels some grey family pigments are still produced but in a lesser degree than the normal grey bird. They do contain melanin but it is a greatly reduced amount of pigment that is present. The resultant bird therefore has the appearance of half way between the normal grey with full compliment of melanin and the lutino which has no melanin. It can be easily differentiated from the other sex-linked gene, Cinnamon, by the fact that the cinnamon gene prevents brown pigments being converted to black and so has no grey pigments present and the Platinum gene allows the grey pigments to be produced but the amount deposited is much less. The amount of pigment produced in the cinnamon is not reduced at all as is the Platinum
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  • Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby Claudia on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:50 pm

    ah yes, good old Geoff Watts :D lovely site that one is :)
    Yes the platinums are stunning :)
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby christie on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:53 pm

    I still say that Byrdie is a cinnamon pearl pied though. Platnium is not a common color yet.
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby Claudia on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:55 pm

    don't think she would be platinum as I think she is "too yellow" BUT don't forget............Byrdie's owner IS in Oz and we can find them fairly easily over here :wink:


    How about another piccie of Byrdie, Zoranni?? :lol:
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby zoranni on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:00 pm

    she is fairly yellow... but it is rather pale apart from on her head. perhaps taking some pictures of her wings from the back would make it easier to tell? I've looked her over many times, but she has only lighter variations of the colours that are present on the tops of her wings throughout the rest of her body.
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby zoranni on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:02 pm

    alright claudia you conned me into it. :lol: just ducking out to get some batteries, will upload more piccies very shortly!
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby MFids on Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:27 am

    There are such things as cinnamon pearl lutinos, however they would look dirty...

    Here's a picture of a "med yellow" pearl lutino
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    And one of a "dark yellow" pearl lutino
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    A cinnamon lutino would look dirty (or so I've read - hard to find accurate pictures) but they would still appear lutino without any grey. Now for comparison, another cinnamon pearl tiel... this one mine!
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    Now Byrdie could actually be a Fallow or a Silver as well. If she has Ruby Red eyes and not dark eyes (that may occasionally appear red) then she would be fallow or recessive silver. If her eyes do not have any red, then she would be a dominant silver. If they are dark but may have a red tint then she would be cinnamon. That is as I understand it. Of course, she could perhaps be a combination of a few mutations and I wouldn't be able to tell you what ones if that were so!

    By behavior they do sound male and female.


    You can actually have a cinnamon pearl pied whiteface lutino, however because of the albino gene, you would not be able to see the cinnaon pearl or pied genes. They would be "hidden" and you wouldn't know what mutations the bird was unless you knew the parents genetics and you mated the bird with some of the same genes...
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby zoranni on Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:03 am

    So basically being 100 % certain of their colour mutuations is largely dependant upon knowing their breeding and parents also?

    Your girl is gorgeous! I havent seen many cinnamon pearl pieds before and the ones I have seen have had much more distinctive markings. She looks a lot like Byrdie.

    Who speaking of, has spotted the camera and is hiding and playing peek-a-boo. I've had no luck taking any new pics so far
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby MFids on Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:42 am

    Knowing what the parents are and what they are split to certainly helps! Many times birds can be split to a mutation but you'll never know until that bird is bred to another bird that also carries the mutation. Even then there could be other hidden mutations that may not appear for several generations.

    Human wise, my grandmother and grandfather had/have black hair, their 3 daughters have black hair, but one of my cousins is a blonde. Blonde is a recessive gene like whiteface is in cockatiels, so somehow the blonde hair blue eyes was passed down from some past great grandparent, and I don't know how far back! With that said, my mother has black hair, my father a medium light brown. My sister and I have dark brown hair, which would be something similar to the platino in cockatiels, as our hair isn't black nor med brown, it's dark brown, and depending on what we wear, time of day, and who we ask, our hair may appear black to some. My sister was actually born a blonde, and I had med/light brown hair.

    Thank you! And Byrdie sounds like a goof! :lol:
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby Claudia on Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:18 am

    thanks for all the info Monica :) and lovely pictures you posted too, the lutino pearl sure looks unusual.....


    So I guess Zoranni, the question is.......does Byrdie have pink feet and a pink beak and red(dish) eyes??? :D
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby zoranni on Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:29 am

    My name is Cas by the way... Pleased to meet you all :)

    Byrdie has pink feet and a pink beak, but her eyes are quite dark. I've never noticed any reddish tinge either but then again i've never really been looking before...
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby Claudia on Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:17 pm

    Hi Cas :D
    what state are you in ??
    I'm in the best state of em all :lol: Western Australia!!! :mrgreen:
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby zoranni on Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:48 pm

    I'm in good ol' NSW. In Albury actually, so very close to Victoria!
    Where in WA are you? I've been contemplating Perth for a few years now...
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    Re: Pictures of Zoran & Byrdie

    Postby Claudia on Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:38 pm

    Perth is great :D
    Must admit, I loooooove the East Coast, especially north of Sydney (got family in Newcastle) but hubby prefers Perth.
    Gotta say though, Perth appears to be the "safest" spot when it comes to "acts of nature" :wink:
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