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Either way your bird is in trouble.

Undigested seeds - there is a raging digestive infection. Only a vet can prescribe medication strong enough to work.

A budgie "vomiting" seed is a good sign of trich - Trichomoniasis. This is a once celled organism that irroates the throat resulting in a heavy slime build up. The bird slings it's head to clear the throat. Seed caught in the slime flings out along with lots of slime. This coats the bird's head/face as well as the cage bars, etc. Left untreated the organism moves further and further into the digestive track while the irritated throat gets more painful so the bird can no longer swallow.

Waiting too long to treat the condition the bird gets over the tric, but is never an overly robust bird.

Don't seek treatment at all and the bird literary starves to death while frantically pulverizing the feed in the feed dish, but never swallowing a bite.

English exhibitors treat their entire flock across the board once a year. The medication we are now using is
Ronidazole in powdered form. A teaspoon desolves easily in a gallon of water. This is being highly recommended by vets who also participate in the exhibition of budgies.

You can purchase it at Foy's Pigeon Supply http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/ click on Product Catalog then click on canker products

There are several schools of thought about Trich.

- This is naturally in the birds system, but when they get stressed the Trich takes advantages and gets out of hand.

- This is passed on from bird to bird.

- This is the fore runner for Mega Bacteria, which now has a new name sorry I don't recall what it is, Dr. Phalen discovered it is really a fungus.

I guess I'm sort of a middle of the road believer. ALL new birds coming into my flock are given a dose of Ivermectin and given a treatment of Ronidozle.

I am proactive for treating birds instead of waiting for individual birds to break out in symptoms. However, my situation is different from most pet owner. My birds travel to shows which exposes them to a lot. The stress from a show can allow for something to take hold. The 2nd line of stress comes when they start working the breeding boxes. I medicate my birds in September so they are ready to start the breeding season at the end of October. This also gets rid of anything they might have picked up at any of the shows they attended, but are keeping suppressed.

As for your mom's bird. If she has had him for ever in a day I would say he doesn't need to be treated. If she just got him, a full treatment wouldn't hurt.

Henry,



From your descriptions your bird is doing some major vomiting - leaving piles on the cage floor. With Tric. the bird bring up small amounts of seed and sling it. If it were my bird I would take to an avian vet. One guy in our club had something going on in his aviary where the birds were vomiting as you have described. He lost a lot of birds and it took a bit for him to get them over what they had. Sorry I never did ask what it was.

She didn't even culture his throat? She must have really good microscope vision to be able to pronoucne this bird healthy without even doing one culture.

No it is NOT normal for ANY bird to sit in a perch and vomit. Birds will feed objects, not toss it to the floor.

I don't think you got your moneys worth.

I am reading all of this and thinking that this may have been the demise of one of my budgies a year ago.
Poor Wilson was regurgitating foam and doing slimy poops. I took him to the vet, he was given a shot of fluids and antibotics. he seemed Ok other than that. When he got home he jumped down to eat seeds. he started regurgitating violently and died. it was awful. An oral swab was never suggested..Apparently, by the time I noticed he was sick and could get the first appointment it was too late.
The sad part is that he was feeding his pal Dexter. She just died.
I have a new vet who does the oral swabs like Kerry suggested. Smitty was diagnosised with some strange bacteria. he is happy & healthy now. the swab tests are REALLY expensive (at least they are in the Boston area) the Exam for Smitty which included the swab & gram stain was $200.00.
Therefore I need to stagger 'wellness" exams to make sure all the birds are checked out. (I have 5 tiels & 5 budgies)

Hi,

I am coming in a little late for this discussion but I am also searching for answers to this problem.

Can we assume we all have Male buddies?

Do/have you witnessed them mating and doing this?

How old is your bird when this started? mine is @ 4yrs old when it got really bad

I have read that male's regurgitate when mating, they try to feed the female. My bird started this after he started to mate on napkins and papertowls. He will seriously attack me from taking the napkin away from him and he frequently regurgitates during this process. I got rid of any napkins that he could access and put him away when I had one out. This did not stop him as he started to mate on his toys in his cage. It wasn't all that frequent at first and he picked a favorite toy. Once I remove the toy he finds a new favorite and a new way to mate on it. In my opinion it has gotten out of control and for the past 6 months he makes piles in his cage of vomit that he isn't able to eat before it drops to the bottom of the cage. It almost seems like it could be out of bordom cause he does it almost every few minutes and then eats it again. I can see him mate on his toys then vomit, and I also see him just vomit and eat it with out any mating involved.

I don't know how to stop it and I am scared to get another bird, I would hate for them to mate that frequently and I've had problems with 2 birds before where they wouldn't separate from one another and since my bird is just so people friendly I would hate to lose that quality in him.

Could this be that they are just over mating? Is there a way to stop that? I can't find any articles on this so any help that can be offered would be appreciated!

So if I understand then, the bird never had seeds in its droppings? You just saw seeds on the bottom of the cage and thought they were droppings when it was actually regurgitated seeds, right?

Yes that is correct. The seeds is being thrown up by the birds.

Is it possilbe for cockatiels to get tric from budgies? and if so, would this over-the-counter ronivet cure it?

I still have Carl and he still throws up ALOT.This has been going on for OVER a year now.
I had treated him with the ronivet for a suspected case of tric but he still throws up. I brought him to another vet and she wanted to do a crop wash to give hima proper diagnosis but she said it was very risky and he may not make it. She suggested it could be a mega bacteria but the medicine prescribed (from the first doctor) was this HUGE dosage (2ml! per serving compared to .05ml to other meds I had given budgies before. I tried giving Carl the meds but it was such a huge amount that it was coming out of his nose!It was so stressful administering the meds as well. I really thought he was going to die right there.....I feel damned if I do and damned if I don't...
thoughts..? suggestions?