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Can any one with quaker mutation experience tell me what I will get out of a pair that both are visual green but the male is split to lutino ?. I have looked at a couple of genetic calculators but get conflicting answers.

Thanks in advance. David

MFids is right. You'll only get visual greens. Half of the young produced will be split for lutino, which in quaker parrots is a simple recessive gene. You'll have boys and girls that carry the gene but there will be no way of knowing unless paired with another bird that has the lutino gene and that pair produces lutino babies.

I'd look for a visual lutino to pair your split bird with.

Mfids & daybird thanks for your reply, I have used this genetic calculator but could not find the natural green ?. Also I was told that in quakers the lutino gene is sex linked not recesive. Have either of you breed quakers or are you going only on the info from the genetic calculator. In any case I appreciate your help. Thanks David.

I do breed quakers. I haven't yet bred any lutinos. The red eyed cinnamon and the black eyed pallid are both sex linked.

There are two strains of Lutino in Quakers. Non-sexed linked recessive (NSL) and sex linked (SL).

If you have the NSL strain and breed Green/lutino X Green you will get birds that are Green/lutino and Green.

If you have the SL strain and breed Green/lutino X Green you will get Green and Green/lutino cocks and Green and Lutino hens

Aves75, thanks for your reply. How can I find out if my bird is SL or NSL.

birdthing wrote:Mfids & daybird thanks for your reply, I have used this genetic calculator but could not find the natural green ?. Also I was told that in quakers the lutino gene is sex linked not recesive. Have either of you breed quakers or are you going only on the info from the genetic calculator. In any case I appreciate your help. Thanks David.

No, I do not breed quakers, I'm not even a breeder! However, from my understanding, the majority of quakers that carry the lutino gene are NSL, and a small percentage are SL (having only been recently discovered, as I understand it).

The "natural green" color is the automatic color of the birds... you do not need to put in any color because if you don't click on any of the buttons the calculator automatically assumes that particular bird is green. If you start putting in lutino, or blue, or whatever, then the calculator will take those colors into effect...


As for being able to tell if your quakers are NSL or SL?

If the male is actually split SL Lutino then all hens will be lutinos and all males will be normal.
However, if he is NSL Lutino, then all offspring will be green with half split lutinos.

It's honestly that simple! My bet is that your male is split NSL.... but you wont know for sure until the pair reproduces! If the hen is also split lutino (NSL as hens cannot be SL - sex linked genes are only carried on the X chromosomes - Males are X,X and females are X,Y - meaning that if a female is SL Lutino, she is visual, where-as if the male carries one SL Lutino Gene he is split, but if he carries two SL Lutino genes he is visual... NSL Lutino works in that it is carried on both chromosomes, thus if they carry one gene they are split, two they are visual, either sex) then it's possible to get 25% greens, 25% lutinos, and 50% greens split lutinos of both sexes.

It's not a good idea however to mix birds who are NSL and SL lutinos, as it could make things difficult trying to figure out if the chicks are NSL or SL inos! And I hope I didn't confuse you!