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I have a friend who sold a pair of birds to a breeder. This friend accepted payments on the pair, that should have been well paid off by now. However, the breeder (without telling my friend) made the decision to wait paying for the pair until they had babies and use the baby money to pay the pair off. I'm wondering how many people think this is right? I've been breeding birds for over 12 years and have NEVER heard of this nor run across any breeder willing to sell a pair and get paid once the pair has babies.

I wish the breeder I bought my Rosebreasted from would have agreed to something like this, LOL!!!

If they had a written contract this wouldn't happen, from what I read it sounds like this was a verbal agreement, right or wrong if theres no contract drawn up theres not much your friend can do, now-a-days no one's word can be trusted, a written contract spelling out every details and terms avoids alot of problems down the road. I hope your friend has proof of ownership so he/she can go and take them back.

I've heard of something like this before, but more so with dogs than birds... Such as a dog acting as stud service, and payment being the pick of the litter...

Or giving a bird to a breeder to pair up with another bird, and payment being a handraised offspring of that bird.

I don't really hear of payments made like this however... but the issue I see here would be if the pair never produced for the new owners, thus either the pair should be given back or the new owners should find a different way to pay (but then they should not have to rely on breeding and selling birds for income, IMO)

It's just to bad there are people that take advantage of others kindness. My friend really needed the money, if not she wouldn't have sold these birds. And then to have this breeder NOT pay.

The birds should have been paid off months ago, and we are really not talking about a ton of money, these are a small pair of birds. I can understand money getting tight, but then this person shouldn't have bought the birds in the first place.

This breeder is still pretty new to everything and isn't making a good name for themselves in the breeder community by doing things their way. I know I would be hesitant to deal with them on birds, unless they were paid for in full upfront.

Macaw75, I'm really sorry your friend is going through this as well. I hope that person grows a conscience and does what's right.

That's why many people do not take payments. Those that do have a contract drawn up so that if X number of payments go missing the "sale" is null and void, the buyer forfeits paid in money as board and upkeep. The owner gets to relist them for sale. The birds NEVER leave the property until paid in full.

Never send any birds off property on breeder loan that you are not willing to lose.

Never send any birds off property without a contract....even with your best friend you’ve known from kindergarten. It’s the best way to wreck a friendship. Spell out everything that could possibly happen and who is responsible.

Kerry C is right never let your birds leave until paid in full even if on a contract. Especially if crossing state lines. What is covered under a contract in one state may be void in another. Also when dealing with another state always put on the contract that your state and county will have all jurisdiction over any proceeding concerning the contract.

I have sent birds across state lines to a repeat client with a written contract spelling out every little detail as well as county of jurisdiction, state, etc., if litigation were to take place. Of course, I got screwed!! These people never made good on the contract, would not return my calls or my emails, and my registered mail letters were returned. THey also would not return MY birds. I have good reason to suspect they have sold them. While it wasn't a huge amount and my attorney advised me to write it off on my taxes as a loss, it is the principle. These pairs were my 2 favorites!! Any more, I don't send any birds off my property UNTIL PAID IN FULL.

Good luck

Sally
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