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I have 3 pairs of green cheeks and I was wondering if there is any way of knowing what color babies I will get.

The first pair is a pineapple male and a normal female that is I was told was split to tourqoise and yellowside.

The second pair is a normal male and a yellowside female

The third pair are both normal, but i am thinking of getting a new male to put with the female, because this male gets an over grown beak. Does anyone know what color babies I will get if I put a tourquoise male with that normal female or if I put a pineapple tourquoise male with her.

Thanks for any halp

The only way to know what a birds genetics are is to know what their parents genetics are.... however with some genes, there's only a 50% chance of being passed onto the offspring... so you could have two birds, one split to a mutation and the other not, but from the same parents... and without breeding you wont know.

Cinnamon and yellowside are both sex-linked mutations, thus hens can't be split for these mutations, only visual.

• First Pair: Pineapple is actually a cinnamon yellowside. As for the hen, she could be split for turquoise but not yellowside. So, who's split and who's not?
• Second Pair: If there are no hidden genes, you'll receive normal males split yellowside, and normal females
• Third Pair: The overgrown beak is normally a sign of liver or kidney dysfunction, so should probably visit a vet...
  
  As for putting a turquoise (parblue-since it's not a true blue) male with the female, you will get normal offspring split turquoise.
  
  If you manage to find a cinnamon yellowsided turqoise male to put with the female, you'd get normal males split parblue cinnamon yellowside, and cinnamon yellowsided split parblue females.

Here, you can experiment with this....
http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0PyrGrCh

The first pair I bought when they were babies and I handfed them. They are only 8 months old now. The man i bought them from said the female was split to tourquoise and yellowside, but maybe he ment the male was split to yellowside.

I just bought the normal pair that the male has the over grown beak on Saturday. They are on 4 eggs now, but when the babies are 3 weeks old I am taking him to the vet to get his beak trimmed and i will also have him checked out. Is there any color male that I could pair with this normal female to get male pineapple babies or male tourquoise babies.

I asked the lady I bought the The yellowside female and the normal male from what color babies they will have and she said pineapples, yellowside, and normal. She said the male is double split, but she did not say to what.


thanks Mfids for your help

The greencheeks, IMO, should be a year old if not older, before they breed. If they are not mature enough, they may not raise their chicks right... abandoning them or killing them.

If you could get in contact with the man you bought the first pair from, you could ask him (if he recalls) what the mutation of the chicks are... although I'd be a bit worried if these two are related if you got them from the same person.

Since cinnamon and yellowside are both sex-linked mutations, the only way to get a cinnamon yellowside (pineapple) would be if the female was a visual cinnamon yellowside, and the male either was a visual (of one or both mutations) or if he was split. To get a male split to this mutation, you could pair a female cinnamon yellowside with a normal male. To put into more simpler terms....

Male normal x Female cinnamon yellowside
Male offspring
Normal split cinnamon yellowside
Female offspring
normals

Male cinnamon yellowside x Female Normal
Male offspring
Normal split yellowside
Normal split cinnamon
Normal split cinnamon yellowside
Female offspring
Cinnamon
Normal
Yellowside
Cinnamon yellowside

Male normal split cinnamon yellowside x Female cinnamon yellowside
Male offspring
Cinnamon split yellowside
Yellowside split cinnamon
Normal split cinnamon yellowside
Cinnamon yellowside
Female offspring
Cinnamon
Normal
Yellowside
Cinnamon Yellowside

Male cinnamon yellowside x Female Cinnamon yellowside
All offspring cinnamon yellowside

And of course there are more possible pairings... such as a cinnamon male split yellowside, or a yellowside split cinnamon, pairing with a normal female, a cinnamon female, a yellowside female, etc. Which you can experiment with the calculator. However, in short, there's no possible way to get male cinnamon yellowsides if you have a normal female (no matter what she could be split to).

Now, for a turqoise, since we are only speaking of one mutation and not two, it's quite a bit more easy to do...


Male normal x Female Turqoise
Male offspring
Normal split turquoise
Female offspring
Normal split turquoise

Male turquoise x Female Normal
Male offspring
Normal split turquoise
Female offspring
Normal split turquoise

Male normal split turquoise x Female turquoise
Male offspring
Normal split turquoise
Turquoise
Female offspring
Normal split turquoise
Turquoise

Male normal x Female normal split turquoise
Male offspring
Normal split turquoise
Turquoise
Female offspring
Normal split turquoise
Turquoise

Male turquoise x Female turquoise
All offspring turquoise

So, if you have a normal hen split turquoise, if the male was also split turquoise or was a visual, you'd be able to get turquoise males... however, if only one parent carried the gene you will not get any turquoise offspring, only some that are split.



Double split means that the male is split to two mutations. The pineapple mutation is not ONE mutation, but TWO mutations. It is a combination of cinnamon and yellowside. If she's bred this pair before, and has gotten female pineapples (cinnamon yellowside), then she is correct in saying the male is double split. So if the male is split cinnamon yellowside, and the female is a visual yellowside, this would be the results...

Male normal split cinnamon yellowside x Female yellowside
Male offspring
Yellowside split cinnamon
Normal split cinnamon yellowside
Normal split yellowside
Yellowside
Female offspring
Cinnamon
Normal
Yellowside
Cinnamon yellowside


Once you understand the basics, it's pretty simple!

Sex-Linked Mutations (cinnamon & yellowside)
To first understand this, you need to understand that males have X, X chromosomes, and females have X, Y chromosomes (the opposite of humans). A sex linked mutation can ONLY be carried on the X chromosome, thus in females it acts like a dominant gene and they are always visuals. In males, the sex-linked mutations act as a recessive gene, in that in order to be visual they must have the gene on both chromosomse.

Recessive Mutations (turqoise & pied)
In order to produce visual recessive offspring, both parents must cary the gene either visually or split. Both males and females can be split for recessive genes. The offspring must obtain the recessive gene from both parents in order to be visual. If they only obtain the recessive gene from one parent then they will be split.

Dominant Mutations (grey and misty)
Dominant mutations work in the fact that only one parent needs the gene in order to pass it off to their offspring as visuals. They cannot be split for dominant mutations, so it's either they have it visually or they don't have it at all. If a bird only has one dominant gene, they are called single-factored. If the bird has two dominant genes (of the same type), they are called double-factored and their colors are more pronounced than a single factor.

Ok, everything is starting to clear up for me now. I think i got taken on the pair of cinnamon yellowside male and the normal split female. The man i got them from told me they would produce pineapples and pineapple tourquoise and yellowside. I paid him $1000 for them Do you think that $1000 is to much for them. What do you think the a pair like that should sell for? Thanks, for all your help.

If the man you got the cinnamon yellowside and normal female from is correct in what you would get as offspring, then that would mean that the male is a cinnamon yellowside split turqoise and the female is split turqoise.... thus here is your results if that is so...

Male cinnamon yellowside split turqoise x Female split turqoise
Male Offspring
Normal split turqoise cinnamon yellowside
Normal split cinnamon yellowside
Turqoise split cinnamon yellowside
Female Offspring
Cinnamon yellowside split turqoise
Cinnamon yellowside
Turqoise cinnamon yellowside

And he'd only be able to know this information for sure if he's bred them.... (which would worry me) otherwise you wont know if they'll produce turqoise or not...


As for how much they should sell for... well I don't really know. I am by no means a breeder, let alone an owner of a pyrrhura conure... however, from looking up prices on conures, "pineapple" males seem to sell for $500-$700. Possible split conures seem to go for $200 and up.

Thanks for your help! I understand how to tell what babies I would get now. Thanks agian

What a great conversation i'm loving this guys!

Sunshine

I bought two pairs recently, was told they were all dna'd (who knows)
was told there are 3 males and a female, they had thought there were 2 females two males....ok here's what i was told.

two very very large cinnamons are clutch mates and both male(which I'm going to argee)
these two males were paired with two other birds, told other two are clutchmates and here's my question....

one is a pineapple was told it dna'd female
they said they thought the other clutchmate to that pineapple which is a visual YellowSide was a female, it dna'd as male.

But now here's the thing...i think this yellowside might be female.
so can clutchmates (if they are) be same sex and one be yellowside and other pineapple.
I thought that if one were pineapple the the other color is other sex automatically....????

these birds are all going on 2 yrs old or so, this is the first time they have been set up...

I am getting these reactions from the two pairs.

both cinnamon males (one paired with pineapple one paired with YS)
are feeding the hens(or unknown sex) both cinnamons are mounting and breeding in correct stance(unknown sex birds both taking female stance in breeding) and both pairs are now working nest boxes.

SO what do I have, I thought about re-doing dna but I have known several people get wrong dna back, in fact on a TOO pair i had dna'd both males, i had scott mcdonald SS and were a true pair.
scott mcdonald wont be back here until about march....and i will have all the birds ss then but just wondering..what could i have in theory right now?

Okay, I think I may need clarification on this.... you have the following

2 Cinnamon Males - Brothers
1 Pineapple Female
1 Yellowsided Female (related to Pineapple Female)

We need to understand that in order to get visual cinnamon males the parents must be a visual female and either a visual male or split male cinnamon. Same goes for Yellowside. Pineapple is a combination of yellowside and cinnamon.

In order to get visual yellowside or visual cinnamon the father must be a visual or split to one of those mutations. The mother could be a normal.

Now, say we mate a normal female with a male split cinnamon yellowside.

Normal Male/Cinnamon Yellowside x Normal Female
100% Visual Normal Males
25% Normal Females
25% Cinnamon Females
25% Yellowsided Females
25% Yellowsided Cinnamon Females (aka Pineapple)

So to your question, can you get a yellowsided and a pineapple from the same clutch of chicks? With the right mutations from the parents, yes.


You must remember that Pineapple is not ONE mutation but TWO mutations. It is Cinnamon AND Yellowsided. Both mutations are sex-linked, therefore you are more likely to have females of these mutations than males, as females only need one X chromosome to be visual where-as males need two X chromosomes in order to be visuals.


So what would you get in the following matings?

Cinnamon Male x Cinnamon Yellowside Female
100% Cinnamon Males split Yellowside
100% Cinnamon Females

Cinnamon Male x Yellowside Female
100% Normal Males split Cinnamon Yellowside
100% Cinnamon Females



Sorry if this may be repetitive, but many people do not understand that Pineapple is a combination of mutations therefore they are easily confused. It doesn't help matters any when the yellowsided mutation should be called Opaline, such as the pearl mutation in cockatiels, is also opaline. When we make up special names for mutations that are basically the same throughout various species we only confuse things further.

One thing to add is that you can get two different offspring if the male parent is double split from a pineapple hen [cinnamonyellowsided] or from a cinnamon to a yellowsided or vice versa. The male would be a nomal though [if from a cinxYS breeding] he would produce normal, cin, ys or a very low percentage of the cinys [pineapple] Once the two genes are passed once, it is fairly well locked together. Cinys hens are easier to get by breeding is why there are more around, male/female ratios are about 50% overall.

I have just located two chicks that I am buying from differnt parts of the country. The female is a turquoise yellowsided
The Male chick I am buying is visually turquoise but split pinapple.

So what are the probable percentages of the progeny?

I'm thinking:

turquoise yellowsides
turquoise pinapples
turquoise
and maybe a few turquoise cinnamons

But, in what percentages

I'm pretty excited about this, will be even more excited in a few years:)

You should not get any cinnamon colored offspring unless the two sexlinks come apart. They can but rarely. Nor should any turqys be gotten except males.
All offspring will be a visual turq of some kind.
Turq males S/ys garaunteed, some will be split to the cinys [pineapple] maybe about half
Half of the hens will be turq, the other half will be the turquoisepineapple.
You can go to the yahoogroups: pyrrhuraconures@yahoogroups.com it is a chat and sell group. They have a chart that is pretty well up to date and the members are really helpful. I have had some GCs that don't breed until in their 3rd year, so patience is the word. Good luck

SunshineHoliday wrote:I have just located two chicks that I am buying from differnt parts of the country. The female is a turquoise yellowsided
The Male chick I am buying is visually turquoise but split pinapple.

So what are the probable percentages of the progeny?

I'm thinking:

turquoise yellowsides
turquoise pinapples
turquoise
and maybe a few turquoise cinnamons

But, in what percentages

I'm pretty excited about this, will be even more excited in a few years:)

Okay, so let me get this straight... you are buying a female turq. yellowside and a maleturq. split yellowside???

Where is the cinnamon coming from? You gave no mention that either parent is visual or split cinnamon (only males can be split to cinnamon and yellowside).


So assume we have the following pair

Male Turq. Split Yellowside x Female Turq. Yellowside

You'll get the following results... as per GC Genetic Calculator

Males
50% turquoise yellowsided
50% turquoise/yellowsided
Females
50% turquoise
50% turquoise yellowsided

<<Okay, so let me get this straight... you are buying a female turq. yellowside and a maleturq. split yellowside??? Where is the cinnamon coming from? >>

The pairing in question has cinnamon in the male - Turquoise split to "pineapple" (also called cinnamon yellowsided) x turquoise yellowsided

The offspring from that pairing will be:

Turquoise yellowsided split to cinnamon (males)
Turquoise split to pineapple (males)
Turquoise split to yellowsided (males)
Turquoise yellowsided (males and females)
Turquoise cinnamon (females)
Turquooise (females)
Turquoise pineapples (females)

Statistically, several of these results will happen twice as often as the others, but each of the above is possible with that pairing...