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Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:50 pm

Well, on top of the yeast infection (which I wil know if it is gone or not when we recheck in a few weeks, per vet) Chill has started laying eggs. She did it before a few years ago and when she started this time, I restricted her light (per vet) and did not give her any fruits or high energy foods per vet, etc (which I wasn't anyway as they did not want me to give her alot of sugar during yeast problems).

The vet said to leave the egg (at time it was just one) in until she grew tired of it, but other people I know with birds say take them out. I left it in and she has laid two more. Now she has three.

Does anyone know how long I should leave them in or when birds normally become "disinterested" in them? Do they normally lay three, is that a "clutch".?

Since they are infertile eggs wouldn't leaving them out for over a week cause them to rot? Geesh.

Anyone have input? Thanks.


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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:13 pm

My experience is mostly with cockatiel eggs, and, no, they don't rot in just a week. I removed one last week that was 3-4 weeks old, because I thought it was getting old. You might get better information on the normal size of an Amazon clutch by posting on UAS' breeder chat, but be sure to mention what kind of Amazon she is.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby MFids on Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:22 pm

I've dealt mainly with budgies and cockatiels with egg laying... and cockatiels are said to become chronic egg layers if you remove their eggs... not the case for me! I just change up the environment, remove the nesting site, and usually that's enough to get my hens to stop laying eggs... I also remove their eggs (keeping them in the fridge, if they so happen to decide to continue laying - I can put the eggs back). The most extreme measures I've done (which to me, aren't that big of a deal) was moving a hen (bourke) from a flight cage into a smaller cage (or bird room to cage), and removing a flight cage out of the room, replacing it with a different one.

My suggestion would be to remove the eggs (safe-keeping in the fridge), change around Chili's cage, maybe move it to a new location, make sure she gets 12-14 hours of sleep each night (if she's already getting 12 then give her 14 hours - 16 if it's extreme), change around her diet (maybe less seeds/nuts/pellets and more fresh foods, or less fresh foods and more seeds/nuts/pellets??? whatever works), make sure she has no access to anything she can use as a nest or nesting material (which may require not using any paper in the bottom of the cage) and try to keep her busy doing other stuff... such as exercise, bathes, toys...

If all that doesn't work and she continues trying to lay eggs, then it would be best to allow her to have her eggs for 3-5 weeks or until she gets bored of them. If I remember correctly, Chili is an amazon.... 3 eggs for her sounds about right for a clutch.

The eggs may rot, but unless you get fake ones to replace them with there's not much you can do about that....

Here's a couple places where you could buy fake eggs....
http://www.fakebirdeggs.com/
http://www.redbirdproducts.com/cageaccessories2.htm
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:30 pm

THANK YOU so much. That was very helpful (both of you).

I do have an extra cage that I use when we evacuate for hurricanes as it folds up. It is almost the same size as her current cage. I could put her in that cage for bit to "change" things up. I am hoping, since you mentioned that 3 for an Amazon is about right, that she has laid her clutch now.

The keeping them in the refrig is a great idea. Makes sense. I think I will let her sit on them a few more days and then take them out and try to move her to the new cage for a bit. Hopefully this will be the end of it.

There was about 50/50 info out there on if to take out or leave in so I was a bit unsure what is best. The input helps a great deal.

I appreciate the advice. Chilli is a blue front Amazon about 14 years old.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby takoda on Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:57 pm

personally, i'd leave them in.

It sounds like she's under enough stress between the egg laying and the yeast infection, totally changing the environment is not a good idea, IMHO. Stressed birds are more susceptible to illness - and there's a lot worse illnesses than the yeasties.

Let her sit till she gets bored. When she figures out nothing's alive in the eggs she'll stop sitting on them.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 pm

Well, that does make sense also. I had pretty much decided today I would probably not change her cage as I did not want to upset her...so I don't think I will move her. I think she is over the yeast, but of course won't be sure until recheck.

I think what I might do is let her sit another week then (she has been on them about a week and a half I think) and if she does not get bored, I may try removing them and see how she reacts. If she gets upset, I can put them back, I guess. Thanks.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:49 pm

Well, I thought this posted, but I must have hit the wrong button. I will briefly type it again. If it double posts, sorry.

What my question was is Chill has now been sitting on the egg/eggs for 3 weeks. She used to come up to interact and eat much more but now she seems so obsessed with the one egg left (two broke) that she only comes up if I pick her up to come up. She is fine once she does come up, but I decided to take the last egg out. She looked for it a few minutes but I then took her cage cover totally off so it was not so "nesty" and it seemed to divert her.
She has been on her perch and not looking for egg for about 3 hours now, but is rather quiet and not herself. I am wondering if anyone knows if this is typical once eggs are removed as perhaps she is just tired from all the sitting on the eggs past 3 weeks. She is eating and drinking. We were dealing with the yeast infection prior to her laying the eggs and her recheck is next Monday (one week from Monday). She does not appear to have any of the yeast infection symptoms such as throwing up, etc, however.

Anyway, does anyone know if bird become a bit quiet and not quite themselves once eggs are removed? Thanks and sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but I simply do not know. Jan and Chilli
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:10 pm

I think you've done the right thing, and feel that her quietness is normal for a bird who's just spent so much time just sitting on that egg. Give her a few days to become herself again.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:34 pm

Well, sadly, this morning Chili started throwing up again (clear slime). I immediately called the vet and the vet is on vacation but I did talk to vet tech, who is quite good and she told me to bring out a sample of it and she would at least lab test it and that way if need be they could give me meds until our appointment next week. They tested it and it is yeast. It is hard to know if it is a new crop of it, or if it just never quite went away from the previous bout as our recheck appointment to find out was not until next week and she started throwing up prior to it.

So, I guess we will not really know if it did not quite go away or if it restarted due to egg stress, etc. She had NOT been thrownig up prior to yesterday, however, so that leads me to believe that it must have started up again. I have her back on Diflucan again and they said to bring her to her appt next week, even though she will still be on meds to make sure meds are working, then will have to take her back in a week or so after the meds stop again to make sure it is cleared up.

The one vet that was there (not my vet) told the vet tech that she has been working with alot of stubborn yeast infections ni birds lately.
Darn it all. But hopefully it will clear and they did NOT find any bacteria, so that is good.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:50 pm

Very sorry :cry:
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:55 pm

Is yeast sometimes hard to get rid of? I assume by what the other vet said to the tech about she had been treating alot of "stubborn" yeast in birds lately, that maybe it is?
I am not giving her any sugary things or fruit. I had been giving her yougurt but stopped that as of today until I get a chance to ask the vet about it.
Does anyone know about the apple cider vinegar? I thought I read in the "search" here that someone said vinegar ferments like bread and that causes yeast? But I thought it helped with it? I have not given any to her in her water, but was just wondering. I would like to get some kind of preventative going eventually.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:17 pm

These questions have me thinking you would greatly benefit from chatting with the very knowledgeable aviculturists at Yahoo's Feeding Feathers forum.
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby christie on Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:52 pm

I would ask the vet about it. I have too heard that vinegar will help, but if it is allowed to sit and ferment in the water, I can see how it could cause problems as well!
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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby bubbabird85 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:11 pm

I have been having a chronic yeast problem in my birds. Vinegar helps. My vet said to put a drop in their water and mix a teaspoon in with 16 (I think, ask yours too) oz of water and mist their feathers in case of re-infection.

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Re: Chilli Has THREE Eggs now. Do I leave in or take out?

Postby spensergirl on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:40 pm

I am just so confused by the food issues. I have to feed her something and the vet said not to give her fresh fruits during the yeast infection. She won't eat enough (total) pellets to sustain her, but will eat about 50/50 or maybe 40/60, which the Vita Seed/food being the most percent. At least she will eat some Kaytee pellets.

The vet had said I could give her Cherrios (plain whole wheat) now and then as treats, but I had stopped doing that also with the yeast infection.

I just don't know what to feed her anymore. I guess I can pick the dried fruits out of the parrot food and continue to give her pellets. She has to eat, however, so I don't want to give her something (all pellets) and not have her eat enough.

It is so confusing. I will ask vet about vinegar next week. Thanks.
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