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HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Wed May 21, 2008 2:08 pm

I have just managed to rescue a wild bird that my cat has had hold of for 2 hours to my knowledge. I cant see any obvious signs of injury but not totally convinced about the left wing. He is just sprawled on a towel obviously exhausted but still alive. He is very strong as he grasped my finger and it felt like a bite plus he has also survived at least 2 hours of torture. Dont know whether he is likely to make it through the night but how can i give him the best chance?


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  • Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Wed May 21, 2008 2:41 pm

    Vets in my area treat wildlife on an emergency basis. A bird who had prolonged contact with a cat needs immediate vet care for meds to counteract the cat's highly toxic saliva. Please call around and HURRY!
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Wed May 21, 2008 2:55 pm

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:Vets in my area treat wildlife on an emergency basis. A bird who had prolonged contact with a cat needs immediate vet care for meds to counteract the cat's highly toxic saliva. Please call around and HURRY!

    I am ringing the vets at moment, they say just to keep it quiet overnight. If i take it down they will probably just put it to sleep. They dont seem concerned about cat saliva. There is no blood on it just seems exhausted. I woke him up and his eyes are clear, not going glazed at all.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Wed May 21, 2008 3:29 pm

    Sadly, wild birds are seldom considered worth saving. But, for anyone interested, here is an excerpt from a related article:

    Cat bites may range from tiny puncture wounds to lacerations. The muscle underneath a puncture wound may be lacerated due to the action of the teeth in immobile muscle (relative to the skin). Many wounds cannot be detected with the naked eye and the need for antibiotics may not be recognised in cases where there is no evidence of a puncture wound or scratch [18]. Septicaemia is a common sequel to a cat bite, while other routes of infection have also been suggested. Birds may ingest organisms from cat saliva-coated feathers during preening leading to gastrointestinal disease and septicaemia [18]. Cats carry Pasteurella multocida on their gingival tissue and teeth and antibiotics are therefore always indicated in any bird attacked by a cat [19], [20]. In addition to Pasteurella spp, a mixed aerobic/anaerobic population has been recovered from the majority of cat bite wounds [18]. http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2003/nov ... rt-2.html#

    I hope the little one makes it. Thank you.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Wed May 21, 2008 3:45 pm

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:Sadly, wild birds are seldom considered worth saving. But, for anyone interested, here is an excerpt from a related article:
    He has woken up and has climbed to top of cage. Very disorientated and unbalanced. I cant believe hes is still alive! The cat escaped from me 2 hours before she brought it back still screaming. I ended up chasing her down the road with a mop trying to get her to drop it. Its legs are grazed and am not convinced about the left wing although it can fold it ok. Where it was laid on towel there is no blood but a poo and it looks quite wet there too. been fast asleep for 2 hours with no life in him except to breath. His eyes didnt glaze over at all and for all his disorientation he is quite alert if you get what i mean. I just wish he would stay at the bottom of the cage where its safe. If he is still with us in the morning i will get some antiseptic spray to spray his feet with as they do look sore. As for the cat saliva he will have to take his chance cos the vets wont give him one. How long will it be before there is any signs? Obviously i need to release him as soon as he is strong enough. Hopefully in next couple of days unless his wing is injured.
    Cat bites may range from tiny puncture wounds to lacerations. The muscle underneath a puncture wound may be lacerated due to the action of the teeth in immobile muscle (relative to the skin). Many wounds cannot be detected with the naked eye and the need for antibiotics may not be recognised in cases where there is no evidence of a puncture wound or scratch [18]. Septicaemia is a common sequel to a cat bite, while other routes of infection have also been suggested. Birds may ingest organisms from cat saliva-coated feathers during preening leading to gastrointestinal disease and septicaemia [18]. Cats carry Pasteurella multocida on their gingival tissue and teeth and antibiotics are therefore always indicated in any bird attacked by a cat [19], [20]. In addition to Pasteurella spp, a mixed aerobic/anaerobic population has been recovered from the majority of cat bite wounds [18]. http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2003/nov ... rt-2.html#

    I hope the little one makes it. Thank you.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Thu May 22, 2008 9:48 am

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:Sadly, wild birds are seldom considered worth saving. But, for anyone interested, here is an excerpt from a related article:

    Cat bites may range from tiny puncture wounds to lacerations. The muscle underneath a puncture wound may be lacerated due to the action of the teeth in immobile muscle (relative to the skin). Many wounds cannot be detected with the naked eye and the need for antibiotics may not be recognised in cases where there is no evidence of a puncture wound or scratch [18]. Septicaemia is a common sequel to a cat bite, while other routes of infection have also been suggested. Birds may ingest organisms from cat saliva-coated feathers during preening leading to gastrointestinal disease and septicaemia [18]. Cats carry Pasteurella multocida on their gingival tissue and teeth and antibiotics are therefore always indicated in any bird attacked by a cat [19], [20]. In addition to Pasteurella spp, a mixed aerobic/anaerobic population has been recovered from the majority of cat bite wounds [18]. http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2003/nov ... rt-2.html#

    I hope the little one makes it. Thank you.

    The little one made it through the night. Slept solid for 18 hours clinging onto the bars of cage, been awake for an hour and desperate to get out now. Rang another vet who just said let it out. We tried but it just fluttered to the floor. My mum has now taken him home to put in a box and give him an antibacterial bath. He is now showing fear for the first time until an hour ago he was just a breathing corpse. We think it is a young starling and our main worry is that mum was still feeding him. Hes not eaten anything, there are no obvious signs of injury except his legs are grazed. He can cling to bars but unable to support himself stood up. Its still touch and go, dont know how he has got this far really he obviously has a strong will to live.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Thu May 22, 2008 10:18 am

    DEBBIE INGHAM wrote:. He can cling to bars but unable to support himself stood up.


    That's ominous. Is there a wildlife rehabilitator who might take him?

    TY again!
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Thu May 22, 2008 11:37 am

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:
    DEBBIE INGHAM wrote:. He can cling to bars but unable to support himself stood up.
    That's ominous.  Is there a wildlife rehabilitator who might take him?TY again!
    My mum is concerned about that, i personally think that his legs are too sore, they look very sore and are bald. He has a vice like grip with his feet, even though he seemed totally unaware of anything last night he gripped my finger so tight it really hurt. I will research if there is a wildlife expert around but never heard of one and neither has anyone i have spoken to. There is one for hedghogs but dont think i can pass him off as one of those! I will give him tonight in my mums tender loving care and hopefully spend the day tomorrow getting him sorted if he makes it tonight. we are doing our best with him and i think the best thing for him is to be able to rest and sleep, the less trauma for him the better. Nature will kill or cure him now. He really is a fighter, to be honest i only put him in cage with a towel last night to die peacefully, he really was at deaths door, a breathing corpse. Most people would have just killed him quickly to end his suffering but i cant do that anyway and im glad i didnt. He deserves to get well when hes got so far. How do we open a beak that is one eighth of an inch long and clamped shut? I dont want him to starve to death at this point.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Thu May 22, 2008 12:20 pm

    DEBBIE INGHAM wrote: How do we open a beak that is one eighth of an inch long and clamped shut? I dont want him to starve to death at this point.


    Fill the syringe with water first and squirt a little slowly at the place on the side where his upper and lower beaks hinge. Have a second syringe at hand filled with his food and grab it if he unclamps for the water.

    I've never fed a wild bird, so this is just my best guess. If someone with experience offers differing advice, go with theirs!

    TY, TY!
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Fri May 23, 2008 2:56 am

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:
    DEBBIE INGHAM wrote: How do we open a beak that is one eighth of an inch long and clamped shut? I dont want him to starve to death at this point.


    Fill the syringe with water first and squirt a little slowly at the place on the side where his upper and lower beaks hinge. Have a second syringe at hand filled with his food and grab it if he unclamps for the water.

    I've never fed a wild bird, so this is just my best guess. If someone with experience offers differing advice, go with theirs!

    TY, TY!

    Sorry, we lost the little one during the night, he put up a massive fight but in the end it was too much for him, he was too young to survive what he did. We were going to take him to vets today and pay for his treatment in the hope they would take us seriously.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Fri May 23, 2008 3:18 am

    DEBBIE INGHAM wrote:
    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:
    DEBBIE INGHAM wrote: How do we open a beak that is one eighth of an inch long and clamped shut? I dont want him to starve to death at this point.


    Fill the syringe with water first and squirt a little slowly at the place on the side where his upper and lower beaks hinge. Have a second syringe at hand filled with his food and grab it if he unclamps for the water.

    I've never fed a wild bird, so this is just my best guess. If someone with experience offers differing advice, go with theirs!

    TY, TY!

    Sorry, we lost the little one during the night, he put up a massive fight but in the end it was too much for him, he was too young to survive what he did. We were going to take him to vets today and pay for his treatment in the hope they would take us seriously.

    My mum has just rung saying she has inspected him and is convinced he is a swift or a swallow. His wings are longer than his tail and permanently outsretched. Apparently these birds never land which does explain the wings and the reason he couldnt stand up but had a vice like grip. When he was clung to bars of cage while he was not with it instead of sitting on floor like other birds weve brought in i thought it was strange and he looked more like a bat than a bird. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If the cat caught him there was something wrong to start with or he wouldnt have been on the floor,can anyone give us more information on these birds even though its too late for little one.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby Bluesbird Exotics on Fri May 23, 2008 8:01 am

    A sad death. Thanks so much for caring and trying so hard to save him.
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Sat May 24, 2008 11:38 am

    Bluesbird Exotics wrote:A sad death. Thanks so much for caring and trying so hard to save him.

    Little one was definately a swift, we did the same for him as all the other birds weve rescued but in his case it was all wrong. We did what we thought was right but been told he never stood a chance to start with. May God bless his soul and let him rest in peace. He deserves it after all he went through and the fight he put up. :cry:
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby MFids on Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:00 pm

    I'm sorry the little one didn't make it! I've been caring for a young starling since May 21st, and still going strong! Pesky little bugger though.... :roll: :lol:

    I'm curious though, what did you try feeding the swift? If this were an adult, little may have been done to help... if it was a chick, then force feeding would have been the way to go...
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    Re: HELP PLEASE QUICKLY!

    Postby DEBBIE INGHAM on Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:39 am

    I just tried him with bread dipped in milk but my mum was trying with soaked mealworms and other wild bird food soaked. However apparently swifts catch flies in the air as they never land so we had no chance of saving him. Not sure how old he was but was definately fully fledged. :cry:
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