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MMM bit confused

Postby amber26 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:05 am

i brought a pair of ringnecks in april they are 18 months old now the breeder said i have got a turquoise grey cock who's parents his dad was a turquoise blue cinnamon and his mum was a creamino i looked on genecalc and he would not be a turquoiuse grey he would be another color

Then hen is grey her mum was blue and her dad was a grey cleartail i am really confused to be honest was he telling the truth


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  • Re: MMM bit confused

    Postby alhee on Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:51 pm

    If the male looks "blue" that's what he is,
    split to turquoise, cinnamon, and ino.
    Still, you should have nice colors with the babies, if you do indeed have a pair,
    but all things considered, there is enough reason to believe that the breeder
    has not been truthful. Now, was the price right, or did you pay too much ?
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    Re: MMM bit confused

    Postby amber26 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:25 am

    I paid £160 they are defintely male and female i have had them dna'ed the male is definetly turquoise grey and the hen is grey but has for the parentage i have got no idea
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    Re: MMM bit confused

    Postby alhee on Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:48 pm

    Your male's creamino mother must have carried the genes for turquoise and for grey.
    Grey, is which dominant, could still be surpressed or modified by cinnamon as well as ino.
    There are so many possibilities when dealing with the 3 types of genes: dominant; sex-linked, and recessive.
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    Re: MMM bit confused

    Postby alhee on Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:16 pm

    Your male bird's mother could not have been a creamino.
    She must have been a cinnamon .
    Ino and cinnamon are sex-linked mutations, and
    female birds can only carry one sex-linked mutation.
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    Re: MMM bit confused

    Postby daybird on Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:45 am

    The breeder told you he had a pair of birds of which the male was a turquoise-blue cinnamon and the female was creamino and you're wondering if the young male bird you bought could have come from this pairing.

    My answer would be certainly "yes."

    The only way this would be possible is if the mother, being "ino" is masking the grey gene. I have an albino hen who is also a double factor grey. It is entirely possible.

    Female birds cannot be split to any sex linked mutation but, and I respectfully disagree to what was previously posted, a male bird can be split to more than one sex linked mutation. He can even be more than one sex linked mutation himself. Cockatiels prove this point. How many cinnamon pearl cockatiels have you ever seen? Both cinnamon and pearl cockatiels are sex linked mutations. I'm breeding some lutino-cinnamon-pearl cockatiels that are very pretty. (Shhhh...Please, noone tell them they don't exist.)

    Your male bird could possibly be double factored turquoise since he could have gotten the genes from both his dad and mom. (Remember that creamino is the combination of the turquoise blue and the "ino" gene giving an "incomplete albino", or "creamino.")

    So you have a turquoise grey male that is split to cinnamon and to ino. And you have a grey female that is split to cleartail. If you breed these two together, the cleartail will be lost. (Technically, half of the babies will be split to cleartail but you'll have no way of knowing which ones unless you were to breed each baby back to a cleartail.)

    I'm too sleepy to figure calculations but you'll have lots of pretty blues, greys, turquoises and grey turquoises from this pair. Also half of the females should be cinnamon (blue, grey, turq, grey turq.) and half of the females will be ino (albino or creamino). If ino and cinnamon were to combine on the same bird you'd have creaminos and albinos that mask cinnamon (and also possibly grey.)
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